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The discussion revolves around finding the derivative f'(c) and estimating the error for the limit involving the function f(x) = 1/x at c = 3. Participants are exploring the implications of right-sided limits and the associated error estimates.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the derivative and the second derivative, questioning the error estimate provided in the textbook. There is a focus on the implications of the chosen value for Δx and its role in the error calculation.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered clarifications regarding the calculation of the error and the interpretation of Δx. There is an acknowledgment of confusion regarding the error's representation in the textbook, and participants are actively engaging in resolving these misunderstandings.

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There is mention of the absence of a specific value for Δx at this stage in the exercises, which may affect the error estimation. The discussion also highlights the need for careful attention to detail in calculations and interpretations.

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Homework Statement



Find f'(c) and the error estimate for the limit:

[tex]f'(c) = \lim_{x \to 0^{+}} \frac {f(c+\Delta x) - f(c)}{\Delta x}[/tex]

I just included that to show that we are working with one (right) sided limit the actual problem is:

[tex]f(x) = \frac {1}{x} \;\; with\;\; c = 3[/tex]

Homework Equations



The error is given by:

[tex]E(\Delta x) = \frac {1}{2}M \Delta x[/tex]

and

[tex]|f''(c)| \leq M[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



So this really quite simple, if:

[tex]f(x)= \frac {1}{x}[/tex]

then

[tex]f'(x) = -\frac{1}{x^{2}}[/tex]

and

[tex]f''(x) = \frac {2}{x^{3}}[/tex]

so

[tex]f'(c) = -\frac{1}{9}[/tex]

and

[tex]f''(c) = \frac {2}{27} \Delta x[/tex]

but according to the book the error is suppose to be 1/27 which doesn't really make sense to me. I got f''(x) like so:

[tex]\frac {(x^{2})(0)-(-1)(2x)}{(x^{2})^{2}}[/tex]

[tex]\frac {2x}{x^{4}}[/tex]

[tex]\frac {2}{x^{3}}[/tex]

where did I go wrong?
 
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Asphyxiated said:

Homework Statement



Find f'(c) and the error estimate for the limit:

[tex]f'(c) = \lim_{x \to 0^{+}} \frac {f(c+\Delta x) - f(c)}{\Delta x}[/tex]

I just included that to show that we are working with one (right) sided limit the actual problem is:

[tex]f(x) = \frac {1}{x} \;\; with\;\; c = 3[/tex]

Homework Equations



The error is given by:

[tex]E(\Delta x) = \frac {1}{2}M \Delta x[/tex]

and

[tex]|f''(c)| \leq M[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



So this really quite simple, if:

[tex]f(x)= \frac {1}{x}[/tex]

then

[tex]f'(x) = -\frac{1}{x^{2}}[/tex]

and

[tex]f''(x) = \frac {2}{x^{3}}[/tex]

so

[tex]f'(c) = -\frac{1}{9}[/tex]

and

[tex]f''(c) = \frac {2}{27} \Delta x[/tex]

but according to the book the error is suppose to be 1/27 which doesn't really make sense to me. I got f''(x) like so:

[tex]\frac {(x^{2})(0)-(-1)(2x)}{(x^{2})^{2}}[/tex]

[tex]\frac {2x}{x^{4}}[/tex]

[tex]\frac {2}{x^{3}}[/tex]

where did I go wrong?
What are you using for [itex]\Delta x[/itex]? I looked pretty closely and didn't see it anywhere.
 
Ah yeah, that is probably a little confusing, right now [tex]\; \Delta x \;[/tex] does not have a value as the first problems of the chapter only ask me to find f'(c) and the error. [tex]\Delta x \;[/tex] will only take on a value in the later problems which as for an estimated value for something like:

[tex]\sqrt{65}[/tex]
 
I guess you could take [itex]\Delta x[/itex] to be 1, so that x is in the interval [3, 4]. (You said in your OP that you were interested in the right-hand limit.) In this interval, the largest value of f''(x) = 2/x3 is 2/27, which occurs when x = 3. This is because f''(x) is a decreasing function on this interal.

Then E([itex]\Delta x[/itex]) = (1/2)M [itex]\Delta x[/itex] = ?
 
Oh ok I see now mark44, I simply forgot to times M by 1/2 so yeah:

[tex]E(\Delta x) = \frac {1}{2} \frac{2}{27} \Delta x = \frac {1}{27} \Delta x[/tex]

Note that [tex]\; \Delta x \;[/tex] is not 1, it does not have a value at this point in the exercises. The correct answer in the back is written as:

[tex]f'(c) = -\frac {1}{9},\;\;\; error= \frac {1}{27} \Delta x[/tex]

Thanks, I just needed to pay more attention.
 
Also, you said in the first post that the error was given in the back of the book as 1/27, rather than 1/27 * delta x. That threw me off.
 
Yeah I realized that... I apologize for any confusion do to that.
 

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