Deriving laplacian in spherical coordinates

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The discussion revolves around deriving the Laplacian in spherical coordinates, a topic within vector calculus and differential equations. Participants are exploring the mathematical formulation and reasoning behind the derivation process.

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  • The original poster attempts to use the chain rule for the derivation but encounters difficulties. Another participant expresses a desire to understand the divergence in spherical coordinates and mentions a method involving a basis of vectors. There is also a reference to an online solution, which raises questions about the validity of external sources in the discussion.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing their understanding and approaches. Some have provided alternative methods and expressions related to the derivation, while others are questioning the assumptions and definitions involved in the process. There is no explicit consensus on a single approach yet.

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Some participants are grappling with the divergence formula and its implications in spherical coordinates, indicating a potential gap in foundational understanding that may affect their derivation efforts.

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Hey...

Could someone help me out with deriving the LaPlacian in spherical coordinates? I tried using the chain rule but it just isn't working out well.. any sort of hint would be appriciated. :)

\nabla^2 = \frac{1}{r^2} [ \frac{\partial}{\partial r} ( r^2 \frac{\partial}{\partial r} ) + \frac{1}{\sin \theta} \frac{\partial}{\partial \theta} ( \sin \theta \frac{\partial}{\partial \theta\ ) + \frac{1}{\sin^2 \theta} \frac{\partial^2}{\partial \phi^2} ]
 
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I want to understand the derivation too. I understand the gradient in spherical coordinate, but the divergence formula bothers me. I got some info from some website saying that one can find a basis of vectors where its divergence is zero then take the divergence of the function based on those vectors...
 
If anyone was curious about this, I found the solution online:

http://planetmath.org/encyclopedia/%3Chttp://planetmath.org/?method=l2h&from=collab&id=76&op=getobj
 
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That's one way of doing it.
Here's another one:
\vec{i}_{r}=\sin\phi\cos\theta\vec{i}+\sin\phi\sin\theta\vec{j}+\cos\phi\vec{k}, \vec{i}_\phi}=\frac{\partial\vec{i}_{r}}{\partial\phi}=\cos\phi\cos\theta\vec{i}+\cos\phi\sin\theta\vec{j}-\sin\phi\vec{k},\vec{i}_{\theta}=\frac{1}{\sin\phi}\frac{\partial\vec{i}_{r}}{\partial\theta}=-\sin\theta\vec{i}+\cos\theta\vec{j}
along with:
\frac{\partial\vec{i}_{r}}{\partial{r}}=\frac{\partial\vec{i}_{\phi}}{\partial{r}}=\frac{\partial\vec{i}_{\theta}}{\partial{r}}=\vec{0}
\frac{\partial\vec{i}_{\theta}}{\partial\phi}=\vec{0},\frac{\partial\vec{i}_{\phi}}{\partial\phi}=-\vec{i}_{r}
\frac{\partial\vec{i}_{\phi}}{\partial\theta}=\cos\phi\vec{i}_{\theta},\frac{\partial\vec{i}_{\theta}}{\partial\theta}=-\sin\phi\vec{i}_{r}-\cos\phi\vec{i}_{\phi}

Now, given these relations, along with the expression for the gradient in spherical coordinates \nabla=\vec{i}_{r}\frac{\partial}{\partial{r}}+\vec{i}_{\phi}\frac{1}{r}\frac{\partial}{\partial\phi}+\vec{i}_{\theta}\frac{1}{r\sin\phi}\frac{\partial}{\partial\theta}, we may easily derive the expression for the Laplacian by differentiating, and performing the dot products:
\nabla^{2}=\nabla\cdot\nabla=\vec{i}_{r}\cdot\frac{\partial\nabla}{\partial{r}}+\frac{1}{r}\vec{i}_{\phi}\cdot\frac{\partial\nabla}{\partial\phi}+\frac{1}{r\sin\phi}\vec{i}_{\theta}\cdot\frac{\partial\nabla}{\partial\theta}
 
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