Design of CT with ferrite core for reverse operation of CT

In summary: Without an external conduction path, what do you think you are testing ?I am testing the voltage generated by the signal generator when driving the transformer.
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Nikhil N
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I have to couple noise into data cable(cat5) in common mode. I have done this with a CT of 50A/1A, ferrite core. What I have done is, I connected the S1 and S2 of CT to probe of my signal generator and inserted the cable through the whole of CT(ring type). I got maximum of 380mV in the cable ends when only the signal from signal generator fed no data is transferring. But I have to couple atleast 1V to the cable. I want to know how can increase this, whether should I increase the turns on the ferrite core or any other method ? If I should increase the no of turns, how to calculate the no of turns and the wire specifications? (I used 200KHz, 10Vpp AC signal)
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The transformer will behave like a voltage transformer if there is no return path external to the transformer. The signal generator voltage will be reduced by the turns ratio of the transformer.

If there is a separate conduction path, (such as a common ground), between the ends of the cable, the transformer will behave like a current transformer. As a CT, the voltage on the cable will be equal to the product of the induced current and the external return resistance. V = I * R

You have not identified the complete circuit of the cable terminations so we cannot identify the transformer mode of operation.
 
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Baluncore said:
The transformer will behave like a voltage transformer if there is no return path external to the transformer. The signal generator voltage will be reduced by the turns ratio of the transformer.

If there is a separate conduction path, (such as a common ground), between the ends of the cable, the transformer will behave like a current transformer. As a CT, the voltage on the cable will be equal to the product of the induced current and the external return resistance. V = I * R

You have not identified the complete circuit of the cable terminations so we cannot identify the transformer mode of operation.
For my device to which I am connecting the wires, doesn't have a common ground line...
 
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Nikhil N said:
For my device to which I am connecting the wires, doesn't have a common ground line...
Then, as there is no alternative current path, the transformer is operating as a voltage transformer.
The induced voltage in the cable will be 1/10 of the loaded signal generator voltage. 380 mV induced on the cable suggests signal generator voltage when driving the 10 turn winding will be about 3.8 V. You can check that with a multimeter.

Without an external conduction path, what do you think you are testing ?
 

1. How does a ferrite core affect the design of a CT for reverse operation?

A ferrite core in a CT (current transformer) is used to increase the magnetic flux in the core, which in turn increases the sensitivity and accuracy of the CT. In reverse operation, the ferrite core may need to be designed differently to ensure accurate measurements.

2. Can any type of ferrite core be used for reverse operation of a CT?

No, not all types of ferrite cores are suitable for reverse operation of a CT. The core material must have a high permeability, low coercive force, and low hysteresis loss to accurately measure the reverse current flow.

3. How does the number of turns in the secondary winding affect the design of a CT for reverse operation?

The number of turns in the secondary winding determines the current ratio of the CT. In reverse operation, a higher number of turns may be required to accurately measure the lower currents. This can affect the physical size and cost of the CT.

4. What are the key considerations when designing a CT with ferrite core for reverse operation?

The key considerations include the type of ferrite core, the number of turns in the secondary winding, the physical size and cost of the CT, and the desired accuracy and sensitivity of the measurements. It is also important to consider the frequency range and operating conditions of the CT.

5. Are there any limitations to using a ferrite core for reverse operation of a CT?

Yes, there are some limitations to using a ferrite core for reverse operation of a CT. The core material must have a suitable permeability and other magnetic properties, and the design must be carefully optimized to ensure accurate measurements. In some cases, alternative core materials may be more suitable for reverse operation of a CT.

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