Destructive Interference and coherent light in anti-phase

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of coherent light in anti-phase and its implications for energy distribution during destructive interference. Participants explore the behavior of waves in various scenarios, including the double slit experiment and waveguides, while questioning the fate of energy when waves cancel each other out.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about what happens to energy when two coherent waves of the same wavelength, frequency, and amplitude are in anti-phase, resulting in a zero resultant wave.
  • One participant suggests that in interference phenomena, energy is redirected elsewhere in an interference pattern, potentially being stored or dissipated.
  • Another participant notes that in vacuum, destructive interference at one location corresponds to constructive interference at another, implying energy conservation between these regions.
  • A participant raises a scenario involving waveguides, questioning the fate of energy when destructive interference occurs without other waves present.
  • It is proposed that in non-vacuum scenarios, lost energy may be absorbed by the material of the waveguide, potentially causing heating or performing work.
  • Discussion includes the double slit experiment, where energy is described as being redistributed from minima to maxima, leading to brighter and fainter regions on the screen.
  • Some participants provide numerical examples to illustrate how amplitude and intensity change due to interference, emphasizing that total power remains constant despite redistribution.
  • One participant questions how energy transfers between waves, leading to a clarification that there is no actual transfer, but rather a result of superposition of fields at different locations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the principles of energy redistribution in interference patterns, but there are differing views on the specifics of energy behavior in different contexts, such as in vacuum versus within materials like waveguides. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact mechanisms of energy behavior in these scenarios.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about ideal conditions in the double slit experiment and the specific interactions of waves with materials in waveguides, which may not be fully explored or defined in the discussion.

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I have a question about coherent light in anti-phase, I'm probably thinking about this wrong but I just can't understand what happens to the energy in the wave when two waves of the same wavelength, frequency and amplitude are in anti-phase as the resultant wave is 0.
 
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Johnahh said:
I have a question about coherent light in anti-phase, I'm probably thinking about this wrong but I just can't understand what happens to the energy in the wave when two waves of the same wavelength, frequency and amplitude are in anti-phase as the resultant wave is 0.

Good question. The energy HAS to go somewhere. In most interference phenomena, it will be directed elsewhere in an interference pattern (e.g. two slits experiment). It may turn up as stored energy in a resonant standing wave pattern or be dissipated in a resistive load / absorbing surface, somewhere.
 
Thanks Sophie, I was actually thinking about the double slit experiment. Could you possible expand on this point:
In most interference phenomena, it will be directed elsewhere in an interference pattern
 
Johnahh said:
I have a question about coherent light in anti-phase, I'm probably thinking about this wrong but I just can't understand what happens to the energy in the wave when two waves of the same wavelength, frequency and amplitude are in anti-phase as the resultant wave is 0.
For two light waves in vacuum, if you have destructive interference in one location then you will have constructive interference in another location. The energh "lost" in the destructive interference region is exactly equal to the energy "gained" in the constructive interference region.
 
For two light waves in vacuum, if you have destructive interference in one location then you will have constructive interference in another location. The energh "lost" in the destructive interference region is exactly equal to the energy "gained" in the constructive interference region.

Say a wave was sent through a waveguide one of length being an integer of the wavelength and the other being a non integer value, this produces destructive interference and a wave with a lower amplitude giving less intensity and energy, in this scenario there are no other waves present where has the energy gone?
 
Johnahh said:
Say a wave was sent through a waveguide one of length being an integer of the wavelength and the other being a non integer value, this produces destructive interference and a wave with a lower amplitude giving less intensity and energy, in this scenario there are no other waves present where has the energy gone?
In that case the wave is not traveling through vacuum, it is interacting with the waveguide. The lost energy goes into the material of the waveguide itself, generally heating it, but potentially doing useful work.

For a wave in vacuum, what I said above holds, which is why I specified "in vacuum" in my comment. For a wave not in vacuum then energy can go to or from matter also.
 
Thank you very much Dale, I feel I have a greater understanding now. :smile:
 
Johnahh said:
I was actually thinking about the double slit experiment.

In this case the energy is "redistributed" from the locations of the minima to the locations of the maxima. The maxima are "brighter" (contain more energy) than the light would have carried if there had been no interference, just as the minima are "fainter" (carry less energy).

Specifically, if the light from one slit (by itself) has intensity I0 on the screen, then with two slits the maxima have (maximum) intensity 4I0. The maximum intensity first doubles because there are two slits, then it doubles again because of redistribution of energy from the minima.
 
Johnahh said:
Thanks Sophie, I was actually thinking about the double slit experiment. Could you possible expand on this point:

Some numbers could help. Take an ideal case. At the maximum of the pattern, the amplitude will be 2A, where A would be the amplitude of one contribution. That 4 times the power. In the null, the amplitude is zero, due to desctructive interference. The power has been re-distributed but the same total power will arrive at the screen.
 
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thanks jtbell and sophie the explanations are very clear and make perfect sense. Is it known how this energy transfers from one wave to another?
 
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Johnahh said:
thanks jtbell and sophie the explanations are very clear and make perfect sense. Is it known how this energy transfers from one wave to another?
There is no "transfer" of energy. It's just the result of superposition of the fields at different places. (It's a result of the transit times and phases as the two contributions arrive at each point on the screen) Google "Double slit interference" and the diagrams, explaining it, are all over the place - the Hyperphysics site usually has understandable pages for pretty much every part of Physics at this level.
 

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