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Determine a function and derivative from a given graph

  1. Apr 25, 2017 #1

    ElectricRay

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    1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
    I have given two graphs which i try to show in the picture here. The question in to find u'(1) and v'(5)

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    2. Relevant equations
    So the relevant equations here are the Product Rule and the Quotient Rule, which I know and is not the big problem here. I think (but imnot sure) the issue here is to find the primitive functions. But these graphs change ???? For example the function f(x) has 3 different equations IMHO see x=-2 till 0 and x=0 till 2 and x=2 till 7 (at least thats what visible on the given graph)

    3. The attempt at a solution
    Well I could determine the slopes and create 3 linear functions for f and two linear functions for g.
    the slope for f(x) in interval x = 0 till 2:

    m = (4-0)/ (2-0) = 2
    y(2) = 2*2 + b = 4
    b = 0

    So I can say that f = 2x+0, All great but i think im completely lost. Main thing I dont understand the question?
    The derivative is the slope (right?), but if I don't have the functions how can I determine the slope, well I just did that so what should I do now. Or is my answer m= 2 basically u'(1)? This seems like but it would also be for u'(1.5).

    Can anybody tell me where I miss the point? And next when would this happen in a practically situation? I like to connect the things to real life situations.

    Thanks in advance and apologizes if someone can't understand my confusion. I have calculus on school but they try to teach me everything with about 50 exercises so I bought A big calculus book and doing the exercises alone as I'm doing distance learning no teachers around.
     
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  3. Apr 25, 2017 #2

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    You should write down the product rule and put the x value of interest into it. You should be able to easily determine the value of everything needed by the product rule. The same is true for the quotient rule.

    PS. The slope you calculated is correct. So is the equation you calculated. It was not really necessary to determine the equation -- you can read the function values straight from the graph.
     
  4. Apr 25, 2017 #3
    Hi Ray:

    What do you know about the slope and the angle of tangent to a function's curve with respect to an axis?
    What do you know about the relationship of a tangent to distances along the x and y axis?

    Hope that helps.

    Regards,
    Buzz
     
  5. Apr 25, 2017 #4

    ElectricRay

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    I think i can plug in values only if I have the functions

    What I know is as follows:
    The slope is the point at which the tanget "touches" the curve a certain point. If I take (for example) the derivative of the function f(x) = x^2 I know that the slope will be at x=3. f'(3) = 2x so 2*3 = 6. This means that the slope will be 6 when x = 3. This part I understand.....I think. Now I can say also that f(3) = 3^2 = 9 so i have the x,y coördinates and the slope which could help me create a linear function. But I have the feeling somthing in this whole derivate stuff is not completely clear to me ....yet :)
    Nevertheless this is awesome stuff.
     
  6. Apr 25, 2017 #5
    Hi Ray:

    So for doing the u'(1) part of the problem, you should be able to write down f(1), f'(1), g(1), and g'(1). From that you can use the product formula to calculate u'(1).
    Then for v'(5), you can write down the corresponding four values for x=5, and then use the quotient formula.
    Are you OK with that?

    Regards,
    Buzz
     
  7. Apr 25, 2017 #6

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    You are making it harder than you have to. You already read several function values straight from the graph to get the slope, m=2, of f(x). You can read the value of f(1) from the graph.

    PS. You still haven't written down the product rule. Write it down here and fill in as much as you can.
     
  8. Apr 25, 2017 #7

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    Thread moved. @ElectricRay, please post questions involving derivatives in the Calculus & Beyond section, not the Precalculus section.
     
  9. Apr 25, 2017 #8

    Mark44

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    You have the graphs of the functions, so the formulas for the functions aren't necessary. If you had to, you could come up with piecewise definitions for f and g from your graph, but such isn't necessary in this problem.
     
  10. Apr 26, 2017 #9

    ElectricRay

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    My apologizes I made a real mistake in selecting.

    No regarding all the other help. I think I solved as you guys told me I could plug in the numbers.

    The product rule part:
    u(x) = f'(x) * g(x) + f(x)* g'(x)
    u(1) = 2 * 1 + 2 * -1 = 0

    The Quotien rule part:
    For the slopes I have found
    f'(x) = -1/3 and g'(x) = 2/3
    Thus:
    v(x) = [f'(x)*g(x) - f(x)*g(x)] / g(x)^2
    v(5) = [-1/3 * 2 - 2/3 * 3] / 4
    v(5) = -2/3

    I thats all indeed i was making it myself to complicated.
    Thanks for the advises
     
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