Determine the Acceleration of point A

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The discussion focuses on calculating the initial acceleration of point A of a uniform 22-kg bar supported on a surface, with friction affecting its motion. Participants analyze the forces acting on the bar, noting that there are four unknowns: ax, NB, NA, and ay, but only two equations available. They clarify that there is a relationship between the accelerations of points A and B, which can help reduce the number of unknowns. The importance of considering moments and the moment of inertia of the bar is emphasized to fully solve the problem. Understanding the relationships between the variables is crucial for determining the acceleration accurately.
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The uniform 22-kg bar is supported on the horizontal surface at A by a small roller of negligible mass. If the coefficient of kinetic friction between end B and the vertical surface is 0.19, calculate the initial acceleration of end A as the bar is released from rest in the position shown. The acceleration is positive if to the left, negative if to the right.

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I summed the forces in the x and y directions

ƩFx = max = -NB

ƩFy = may = NA - mg - F

F = ukN

ƩFy = may= NA - mg + ukNB

So, I have 4 unknowns: ax, NB, NA and ay

and two equations. How do I find the other two equations needed to solve this problem?

I considered taking the moment about B, but this then adds in two more unknowns: α and aG. I suspect that I may need to use relative accelerations equations, but is there another way?
 

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Hi Northbysouth! :smile:
Northbysouth said:
So, I have 4 unknowns: ax, NB, NA and ay

No, you have 3 independent unknowns. :wink:

(and an equation relating ax and ay)
I considered taking the moment about B, but this then adds in two more unknowns: α and aG.

No, they also depend on ax :wink:
 
I'm not sure I follow you when you say that I have an equation relating ax and ay. Are you talking about

a = (a2x + a2y)1/2

The questions asks me to find the acceleration of point a which I know is only in the x direction, and point B has an acceleration which only acts in the y direction.

Could you expand a little on what you said, please?

Thank you
 
Northbysouth said:
Are you talking about

a = (a2x + a2y)1/2

No, I'm saying a = (x2 + y2)1/2. :wink:

(and so y = √(a2 - x2))
 
I'm sorry but I'm still not following you. :confused:

When you use x and y, are you referring to the horizontal and vertical distances respectively?
 
I think tiny-tim is using x for the horizontal position of the roller, y for the vertical position of end B, and a (confusingly) for the length of the bar. The point is that the bar is of constant length, which gives you an equation relating ax to ay.
You will need to take moments too, since the moment of inertia of the bar plays a role. As with ax and ay, there is a direct relationship between these and angular acceleration.
 
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