Determine the velocity of the two blocks right after the collision

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The discussion revolves around calculating the velocities of two blocks immediately after an elastic collision. A 1.5 kg block, released from a spring with an initial velocity of 10 m/s, collides with a stationary 6 kg block on a frictionless incline. The user struggles to derive the final velocities post-collision, mistakenly arriving at initial velocities instead. Key equations for conservation of momentum and kinetic energy are provided, but the user encounters confusion in their calculations, particularly in isolating variables and expanding equations correctly. Clarifications are suggested regarding the proper expansion of terms and isolating variables to find the correct final velocities.
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Here's a (crude) drawing: http://i44.tinypic.com/2mg9ts2.png
A block with mass 1.5kg is pushed against a spring such that the spring compression is 0.2m. The block is then released from rest and is observed to have a velocity of 10m/s once it is released by the spring. The block then collides elastically with another block of mass 6 kg. The incline makes an angle 37 with the horizontal and is frictionless.

a) Determine the velocity of the two blocks right after the collision.
b) Determine the distance the block of mass 6kg will travel up the incline.
c) Depending on the direction that the block with mass 6kg moves after the collision, determine the maximum compression of the spring OR the distance it travels up the incline.


a) Help! I did all the work but I ended up with the initial velocities instead of getting the final velocities, how am I supposed to do this?

Pi = Pf
(1.5)(10) + 0 = (1.5)(V1) + (6)(V2)
15 = (1.5)(V1) + (6)(V2)
(1.5)(V1) = 15 - ^V2
V1 = -(6V2+15)/(1.5)

KEi = KEf
1/2(1.5)(10)^2 + 0 = 1/2(1.5)(V1)^2 + 1/2(6)(V2)^2
75 = 0.75(-6V2+15/1.5)^2 + 3V2^2
-3V2^2 + 75 = 0.75(-6V2+15/1.5)^2
-4V2^2 + 100 = (-6V2+15/1.5)^2
-4V2 + 10 = (-6V2+16/1.5)
-6V2 + 15 = -6V2 + 15

so V2 = 0

V1 = (-6(0)+15/1.5)
so V1 = 10

but those are the initial velocities... How do i find the final velocities?
 
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cupcaked said:
Here's a (crude) drawing: http://i44.tinypic.com/2mg9ts2.png
A block with mass 1.5kg is pushed against a spring such that the spring compression is 0.2m. The block is then released from rest and is observed to have a velocity of 10m/s once it is released by the spring. The block then collides elastically with another block of mass 6 kg. The incline makes an angle 37 with the horizontal and is frictionless.

a) Determine the velocity of the two blocks right after the collision.
b) Determine the distance the block of mass 6kg will travel up the incline.
c) Depending on the direction that the block with mass 6kg moves after the collision, determine the maximum compression of the spring OR the distance it travels up the incline.


a) Help! I did all the work but I ended up with the initial velocities instead of getting the final velocities, how am I supposed to do this?

Pi = Pf
(1.5)(10) + 0 = (1.5)(V1) + (6)(V2)
15 = (1.5)(V1) + (6)(V2)
(1.5)(V1) = 15 - ^V2
V1 = -(6V2+15)/(1.5)

KEi = KEf
1/2(1.5)(10)^2 + 0 = 1/2(1.5)(V1)^2 + 1/2(6)(V2)^2
75 = 0.75(-6V2+15/1.5)^2 + 3V2^2
-3V2^2 + 75 = 0.75(-6V2+15/1.5)^2
-4V2^2 + 100 = (-6V2+15/1.5)^2
-4V2 + 10 = (-6V2+16/1.5)
-6V2 + 15 = -6V2 + 15

so V2 = 0

V1 = (-6(0)+15/1.5)
so V1 = 10

but those are the initial velocities... How do i find the final velocities?

See the error in red above.\sqrt{-4v_2^2 + 100} \neq -4v_2 + 10

I would recommend solving for v2 by isolating it on one side of the equation.
 
I'm really messing up my math here or something...

KEi = KEf
1/2(1.5)(10)^2 + 0 = 1/2(1.5)(V1)^2 + 1/2(6)(V2)^2
75 = 0.75(-6V2+15/1.5)^2 + 3V2^2
75 = 0.75(-4V2+10)^2 + 9V2
75 = 0.75(16V2+100) + 9V2
75 = 12V2 + 75 + 9V2
75 = 21V2 + 75
0 = 21V2 ...? zero again... blehhh!
 
cupcaked said:
I'm really messing up my math here or something...

KEi = KEf
1/2(1.5)(10)^2 + 0 = 1/2(1.5)(V1)^2 + 1/2(6)(V2)^2
75 = 0.75(-6V2+15/1.5)^2 + 3V2^2
75 = 0.75(-4V2+10)^2 + 9V2
75 = 0.75(16V2+100) + 9V2
75 = 12V2 + 75 + 9V2
75 = 21V2 + 75
0 = 21V2 ...? zero again... blehhh!

Where did this stuff in red come from? Why is it suddenly 4v2 instead of 6v2? Where did the 9 come from? Why is the v2 that is multiplying the 9 no longer squared?

Note that (-6v_2 + 10)^2 = (-6v_2 + 10)(-6v_2 + 10)So you're going to have to expand that out.
 
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