Determining Distance from Release Point Using Doppler Effect

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The discussion focuses on a physics homework problem involving a tuning fork emitting sound waves while falling. The key issue is determining the distance the tuning fork has fallen when sound waves of 488 Hz reach the release point. Participants clarify that the Doppler effect equation only provides the speed of emitted waves, and additional calculations are needed to account for the time it takes for sound to travel back to the release point. The user initially calculated a distance of 8.17 meters but later adjusted it to 8.47 meters after factoring in sound travel time. The final response confirms that the revised calculation appears correct.
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Homework Statement


A tuning fork vibrating at 506 Hz falls from rest and accelerates at 9.80 m/s2. How far below the point of release is the tuning fork when waves of frequency of 488 Hz reach the release point? (Take the speed of sound in air to be 343 m/s).

Homework Equations


f(prime)=(v/(v+v(source)))*f(initial)
x=v(source)^2/19.6

The Attempt at a Solution


im actually fairly happy with my answer (8.17), because i worked it backwards from a textbook question, after it said i was wrong. but the system says i was wrong ( but within 10 percent).

any insight?

btw i subbed in my value for v(source) from question 1 into question 2 to get my answer.
 
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Did you distinguish between:
(1) Where the tuning fork was when the 488 Hz waves were emitted
(2) Where the tuning fork was when the 488 Hz waves reached the release point
 
Doc Al said:
Did you distinguish between:
(1) Where the tuning fork was when the 488 Hz waves were emitted
(2) Where the tuning fork was when the 488 Hz waves reached the release point

i thought that was already factored into the the doppler equation?
 
lackos said:
i thought that was already factored into the the doppler equation
No. The Doppler equation will give you the speed at which the 488 Hz waves are emitted. That's just the first step in finding the answer. You need to figure out how long it takes for the sound to reach the top, then figure out where the tuning fork is at that time.
 
Doc Al said:
No. The Doppler equation will give you the speed at which the 488 Hz waves are emitted. That's just the first step in finding the answer. You need to figure out how long it takes for the sound to reach the top, then figure out where the tuning fork is at that time.

okay thanks for that info (note to self).

so with my value (8.17), i would divide that by the speed of sound to get the extra time taken for travel. i would then form another kinematic equation factoring this in.

doing this i get 8.47m does this look correct
 
lackos said:
okay thanks for that info (note to self).

so with my value (8.17), i would divide that by the speed of sound to get the extra time taken for travel. i would then form another kinematic equation factoring this in.

doing this i get 8.47m does this look correct
Looks good to me.
 
Doc Al said:
Looks good to me.

thanks for the help and time
 

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