Determining exact solutions to a perturbed simple harmonic oscillator

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The discussion revolves around a perturbed simple harmonic oscillator, where the unperturbed Hamiltonian is defined, and a perturbation is introduced. Participants are tasked with determining the exact ground state energy and wave function of the perturbed system.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants express confusion regarding the perturbation factor λ and its implications for the Hamiltonian. There is a discussion about the possibility of finding exact solutions despite the perturbation, with some suggesting that completing the square in the potential may yield insights.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on how to approach the problem, noting that the potential can be shifted and that this may relate to the energy calculations. There is an exploration of the relationship between the perturbation and the resulting changes in energy and wave functions, though no consensus has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the assumption that the perturbation can be treated as small initially, and there is a mention of the potential being uniformly decreased, which may affect the ground state energy and wave functions.

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Homework Statement


Consider as an unperturbed system H0 a simple harmonic oscillator with mass m,
spring constant k and natural frequency w = sqrt(k/m), and a perturbation H1 = k′x =
k′sqrt(hbar/2m)(a+ + a−)

Determine the exact ground state energy and wave function of the perturbed system


here a+ and a- are the ladder operators: a+/-=1/sqrt( 2hbar*m*ω)(-/+p^2 +(mωx) )

and H0=1/(2m)*(p^2 +(mωx)^2) = hbar*ω*[(a+)*(a-)+1/2]

The Attempt at a Solution




I just need a nudge in the right direction for this one. The questoin confuses me because I didnt realize exact solutions could be found for perturbed systems.

we want to solve Hψ=Eψ where H= H0 + λH1
(the unperturbed hamiltonian plus the perturbation)

I am confused about the factor of λ on H1.

griffiths text says " for the moment we'll take lambda to be a small number, later we'll crank it up to one, and H will be the true hamiltonian"

so should I take λ=1?

either way, when I write out Hψ=Eψ, i get a very nasty diff. eq. which leads me to believe there is a better method.
 
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slimjim said:

Homework Statement


Consider as an unperturbed system H0 a simple harmonic oscillator with mass m,
spring constant k and natural frequency w = sqrt(k/m), and a perturbation H1 = k′x =
k′sqrt(hbar/2m)(a+ + a−)

Determine the exact ground state energy and wave function of the perturbed system


here a+ and a- are the ladder operators: a+/-=1/sqrt( 2hbar*m*ω)(-/+p^2 +(mωx) )

and H0=1/(2m)*(p^2 +(mωx)^2) = hbar*ω*[(a+)*(a-)+1/2]

The Attempt at a Solution




I just need a nudge in the right direction for this one. The questoin confuses me because I didnt realize exact solutions could be found for perturbed systems.

we want to solve Hψ=Eψ where H= H0 + λH1
(the unperturbed hamiltonian plus the perturbation)

I am confused about the factor of λ on H1.

griffiths text says " for the moment we'll take lambda to be a small number, later we'll crank it up to one, and H will be the true hamiltonian"

so should I take λ=1?

either way, when I write out Hψ=Eψ, i get a very nasty diff. eq. which leads me to believe there is a better method.

Some systems can be solved exactly no matter how large the perturbation is. The potential energy in the hamiltonian is kx^2/2. The perturbation is k'x when lambda=1. You can complete the square in x to get a new hamiltonian with a shifted center and shifted energy that looks a lot like the first.
 
Dick said:
Some systems can be solved exactly no matter how large the perturbation is. The potential energy in the hamiltonian is kx^2/2. The perturbation is k'x when lambda=1. You can complete the square in x to get a new hamiltonian with a shifted center and shifted energy that looks a lot like the first.

I did as you suggested. The potential gets shifted left in x, and decreased by a constant amount.

Coincidentally, the potential is uniformly decreased by the same value I calculated for E2, the second order perturbation in energy.

So I am thinking that the exact ground state energy would be decreased by this amount as well.

And the wave functions would simply be shifted to the left (-x) by the same amount that the potential was shifted. (the wave func. should have same shape as the wavefunction for an unperturbed simple harmonic oscillator, and must also be normalized)
 
slimjim said:
I did as you suggested. The potential gets shifted left in x, and decreased by a constant amount.

Coincidentally, the potential is uniformly decreased by the same value I calculated for E2, the second order perturbation in energy.

So I am thinking that the exact ground state energy would be decreased by this amount as well.

And the wave functions would simply be shifted to the left (-x) by the same amount that the potential was shifted. (the wave func. should have same shape as the wavefunction for an unperturbed simple harmonic oscillator, and must also be normalized)

I haven't really done the perturbative calculation for a long time, but that sounds right.
 

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