Determining valve type from drawings

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around identifying and interpreting the types of valves depicted in technical drawings. Participants are exploring the functionality and design features of a pressure relief valve and a flow control valve, focusing on their operational principles and sectioning details.

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Main Points Raised

  • Steve identifies the first valve as a pressure relief valve but expresses uncertainty about the sectioning philosophy and the surfaces contributing to the opening force.
  • Another participant confirms the first valve as a pressure relief valve, describing its cartridge type and the roles of various ports and pressures acting on the poppet.
  • Steve suggests the second valve is a flow control valve but is unclear about the function of section B.
  • The second participant elaborates on the flow control valve's features, including the orifice and the connection between ports, while noting the absence of hidden lines in the drawings.
  • Steve questions whether the second valve is pressure compensated and how it manages flow to maintain constant pressure, seeking clarification on the roles of different surfaces in the first valve.
  • The second participant expresses uncertainty about the overall function of the valves as a set and speculates that a component of the relief valve may serve to guide the poppet.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is partial agreement on the identification of the first valve as a pressure relief valve. However, uncertainty remains regarding the specific functions and interactions of the components in both valves, with multiple interpretations presented without consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants express limitations in their understanding of drawing interpretation, and there are unresolved questions about the operational details of the valves and their interactions.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in hydraulic systems, valve design, and technical drawing interpretation may find this discussion relevant.

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I'm having some difficulty determining which type of valves the following are.
I believe the first 1 is a pressure relief valve. However i don't understand the sectioning philosophy, some things just aren't sectioned that i'd expect to be, therefore I'm finding it hard to gauge which surfaces contribute to the opening force.

As for the second one it seems its a flow control valve, but i don't know what is happening in section B.

Any help would be appreciated, thank you.
Steve
 

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Hi Steve. The first one is a pressure relief valve as you say. It's a cartridge type that screws into a manifold block similar to the manifolded set of valves in the block below it. Port P is your inlet, high pressure port and port T is your discharge, lower pressure port. The poppet is shown directly below the letter T and discharge pressure is acting on the back of the poppet, tending to close the valve along with the spring. Inlet pressure from port P is acting on the underside (left side) of the poppet tending to open the valve. I would assume these are all hydraulic cartridge valves.

The second one is some sort of flow control valve as you know. The top most hole is shown in the left hand view with what appears to be an orifice screwed into it. The section is looking just past that so they don't show the orifice. There's a vertically drilled hole that you can't see in the left hand view because it's just below the plane that the view is sectioned from. That vertical port is shown in section B-B and connects the top most hole to the hole leading to the valve shown in section B-B. Note that the valve shown in section B-B is above the plane that the left hand view has been sectioned in so you won't see that valve in the left hand view. But you do see the port labled A in section B-B - that's the circular hole that the section line is running through just below that orifice. In section B-B, you have letter T showing the port T in the left hand view. And the lower most hole in section B-B is the lower most port running horizontally in the left view that has a valve on the left and port P on the right. Note that there are no hidden lines being shown in either of the views because those hidden lines would only make it more difficult to decipher the drawing.
 
Thanks very much for the quick response, i just have a couple of questions.
Is the 2nd valve pressure compensated, i can see that if the pressure on port P was to rise we could move the spool and waste flow to the reservoir, but what about A. Would we move through the valve in section B to relieve flow to the tank and thus maintain a constant pressure.

As for the 1st valve, is the active surface the black arrow, if so what are the roles of the red and yellow surfaces.

Sorry for a lot of questions drawing interpretation has never been my strongest point.

Thanks,
Steve
 

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Hi Steve. I don't know what all the valves do as a set. I'm not that familiar with this particular valve either. Regarding the small bit on the end of the relief valve, I'd assume that's just for guidance of the poppet. It's probably just a bushing to keep the poppet centered and only allows movement in the axial direction.
 

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