Did Einstein's Work Affect All Areas of Physics?

[eNtRopY]

I challenge you to name at least one area of physics that the work of Einstein did not somehow affect. If you take this challenge, you, like your pathetic parents, are destined for failure.

eNtRopY

 

[Ace-of-Spades]

Since nothing makes you happy anymore, I suppose you get sick kicks out of sort of thing

 

[steppenwolf]

well he didn't believe in quantum theory so i can't see how his ideas would be able to influence this field *runs and hides*

 

[Artman]

The name. It was called "Physics" before Einstein and it is called "Physics" today.

 

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

Phlogiston.

 

[bogdan]

It could be hydrodynamics...fluid mechanics...probably...
But these examples are quite rare...

 

[eNtRopY]

Originally posted by steppenwolf
well he didn't believe in quantum theory so i can't see how his ideas would be able to influence this field *runs and hides*

* SHOOTS FROM THE HIP *
Photo-electric effect!
* BANG! *

D.O.A.

eNtRopY

 

[bogdan]

einstein is considered one of the "parents" of QM...
einstein-podolski-rosen paradox...the laser...and more are related to einstein...but that fluid stuff isn't...I guess...:)

 

[eNtRopY]

Originally posted by bogdan
It could be hydrodynamics...fluid mechanics...probably...
But these examples are quite rare...

Hydrodynamics and fluid mechanics (its subset) both incorporate Fick's Law... a very basic mathematical principle. Could we really use Fick's Law in physics without the Einstein Relationship?

* POW! SOCK! BIFF! *

Who's next?

eNtRopY

 

[eNtRopY]

Originally posted by Mr. Robin Parsons
Phlogiston.

Why don't talk about phlogiston on a board where people still believe in ether, impetus, and cold fusion?

* BAM! right in the nuts *

eNtRopY

 

[bogdan]

I'm stupid...but what's thate "Einstein's relationship" ?

 

[bogdan]

Well...Einstein did not work on the GUT...at least not for weak and strong interactions...
And...fluid mechanics is a subset of hydrodynamics ?

 

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

Originally posted by eNtRopY
Why don't talk about phlogiston on a board where people still believe in ether, impetus, and cold fusion?

* BAM! right in the nuts *

eNtRopY

(**Picks up a piece of the nut(s) that Entropy just cracked, and enjoys eating it**) **MUNCH*^*MUNCH**

Actually, Einstein believed in the Ether, just that, he, like other believers in the Ether, couldn't prove it.

There was evidence that disproved two of, the then known, possible 'etherial operation' explanations, the third option was neither, known, nor explored.

Hence the answer is the Ether. Einsteins personal work was not what disproved that one, neither is there exsisting, today, a method of validation/test that has been tried/tested, for the third option.

 

[maximus]

what did einstein do in thermodynamics?

 

[Janus]

Originally posted by steppenwolf
well he didn't believe in quantum theory so i can't see how his ideas would be able to influence this field *runs and hides*

Except for the fact that he got his Nobel prize for his explanation of the photoelectric effect, which became one of the foundations of QM.

 

[einsteinian77]

Originally posted by Janus
Except for the fact that he got his Nobel prize for his explanation of the photoelectric effect, which became one of the foundations of QM.

However, he never got involved in subatomic particles. The majority of his work is based on a macro conception.

 

[eNtRopY]

Originally posted by maximus
what did einstein do in thermodynamics?

* click click *
Again, the Fick's Law and the Einstein Relation.
* BOOM! *

* the remains of maximus are now splattered on the wall that previously behind him *

eNtRopY

 

[eNtRopY]

Originally posted by bogdan
Well...Einstein did not work on the GUT...at least not for weak and strong interactions...

* bogdan quivers as he lies on the ground holding on to dear life *

Except that the primary goal of GUT is to unite every principle physical process... and of course explain Einstein's GR with this theory.

* slit *
* eNtRopY puts bogdan out of his misery *

eNtRopY

 

[selfAdjoint]

Originally posted by maximus
what did einstein do in thermodynamics?

Before entropy gets in there with the knife, see his 1905 paper on the Brownian motion and Avogadro's constant.

 

[einsteinian77]

He never contributed to subatomic particle theory

 

[quantumdude]

Originally posted by einsteinian77
He never contributed to subatomic particle theory

Sure he did. First, he postulated the existence of the photon, which is on the list of "subatomic particles". Second, the Standard Model is a union of the electroweak theory and QCD, two relativistic[/color] quantum field theories. We all know the Standard Model won't last, but the candidates to take it over (namely String Theory and Loop Quantum Gravity) are also relativistic.

 

[einsteinian77]

Acoustics! Although i don't think its possible for any scientist to effect it since pretty much done with.

He never contributed to the expanding universe that was observed by Hubble too.

 

[Andy]

I think entropy is enjoying this a little bit too much. Didnt einstein try to Unify the different stuff in Fluid mechanics? I said try because he was never able to do it(if he tried that is) but I am with entropy on this one.

Do i get to shoot people as well?

 

[maximus]

Originally posted by einsteinian77
He never contributed to the expanding universe that was observed by Hubble too.

but he predicted it.

 

[bogdan]

well..einstein didn't know about weak and strong interactions...he tried to unify gravity with electromagnetism...
So...QCD is a domain where einstein had nothing to say...
Of course you can say that he had something to do with it...but it's like saying that Newton worked on the GUT because he tried to unify the movement of cosmic bodies with bodies on earth...
Let's not get too excited...einstein played a major role in physics...but he didn't influenced too much some areas...
Well...if a theory uses certain principles (like relativity) it doesn't mean that the creator of relativity had something to say about that theory...like the guy that invented in maths the method of induction...or the Fourier transform (Fourier)...Fourier wasn't interested in sginal processing and stuff like that...he used it for "heat diffusion" (I don't know the exact words for it)...so...
...reality check...

 

[einsteinian77]

Maximus, Einstein never predicted the expanding universe. In fact, he had to change "his biggest blunder", or cosmological constant, to agree with the expanding universe.

 

[maximus]

Originally posted by einsteinian77
Maximus, Einstein never predicted the expanding universe. In fact, he had to change "his biggest blunder", or cosmological constant, to agree with the expanding universe.

but he only developed the cosmological constant to undo the concludion he found in all his other calculations, which was the the universe could not be static. he never officially predicted it, you're right, but it was right there in front of him. if he had only stuck with it he could have.

 

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

As I had stated earlier the Ether.

From this site, http://www.tu-harburg.de/rzt/rzt/it/Ether.html this address/speech, in his own words, "Albert Einstein, an address delivered on May 5th, 1920, in the University of Leyden"

A part of which is: "But on the other hand there is a weighty argument to be adduced in favour of the ether hypothesis. To deny the ether is ultimately to assume that empty space has no physical qualities whatever."


His work had 'no effect' on resolving the Etherial question, his opinion on it remained the same, even though the idea was, then, thought to have been disproven.

** Watches as eNtRopY<>Atrophies ** (a bit like melting)

 

[cmdr_sponge]

what about engineering physics like moments, stresses and strains did he do anything there?

 

[quantumdude]

Originally posted by bogdan
well..einstein didn't know about weak and strong interactions...he tried to unify gravity with electromagnetism...
So...QCD is a domain where einstein had nothing to say...

Electroweak and QCD are both relativistic[/color] quantum field theories. Special relativity is built into it!

 

[bogdan]

Yes...but as I said earlier...that doesn't mean that Einstein had something to say in that area...for example Newton...he invented calculus...but that's just a tool...you can't give credit to the guy who invented the wheel just because it is used to build the space shuttle...got it ?

 

[Artman]

Originally posted by bogdan
Yes...but as I said earlier...that doesn't mean that Einstein had something to say in that area...for example Newton...he invented calculus...but that's just a tool...you can't give credit to the guy who invented the wheel just because it is used to build the space shuttle...got it ?

No, you wouldn't give credit to the guy that invented the wheel for the development of the Space Shuttle, however, the wheel did influence the design of the shuttle, as well as Roman Chariots had an influence on the Space Shuttle.

The width of the solid fuel boosters was limited by the widest item that could be carried on a train and train track width was based on cart path width which dates back to Roman Chariot wheel ruts.

Not all inventions owe as much to the wheel, say for instance glass bottles, or pants, or scissors.

The point is, would the development of an idea be the same or even be possible without Einstein's influence?

By the way, my first point still stands: the name, Physics, is still the same.

 

[quantumdude]

Originally posted by bogdan
Yes...but as I said earlier...that doesn't mean that Einstein had something to say in that area...for example Newton...he invented calculus...but that's just a tool...you can't give credit to the guy who invented the wheel just because it is used to build the space shuttle...got it ?

No, you don't quite have it yet. If QCD is a space shuttle, SR is not just a tire on the landing gear, it's one of the rockets.

 

[eNtRopY]

* Suddenly smokes bombs are launched through the windows. Glass shatters everywhere. A blanket of black fog completely darkens the room.

eNtRopY, equipped with infrared goggles, enters the room on a repelling cord. He shouts in seven different languages, All true Einstein fans hit the deck NOW!

Using an AK-47 assult rifle, he sweeps the room at waist height. *


selfAdjoint: I was saving Brownian motion for later.

einsteinian77: If he never contributed to subatomic particle theory, then why is it that E = mc^2 is the bread and butter of particle physics?

einsteinian77: Concerning acoustics, he showed that the Doppler shift is a special case of the relativistic Doppler shift.

Andy: Sorry partner, this town only has enough room for one sherrif.

bogdan: QCD is all about relativity. Besides, let it go you're already dead.

Mr. Robin Parsons: Get a real reference, you fvckin' fvck. Einstein was the first to reject the concept of ether!

cmdr_sponge: Einstein showed that classical mechanics (engineering physics as you call it) is just a special case of relativistic mechanics.


* Everyone who was standing is now dead. *

R.I.P.

eNtRopY

 

[einsteinian77]

he did nothing for experimental physics.

 

[username]

wtf?

 

[The Grimmus]

thermogenonuclearbiolgyquantum...pizza...pie...theroy

 

[eNtRopY]

Originally posted by einsteinian77
he did nothing for experimental physics.

* Puts gun against einsteinian77's head *
* click click *

Dodge this... As an undergraduate Einstein studied experimental physics. Throughout his career as a theorist, he devised many thought experiments which were later realized by other physicists. Perhaps the most famous of these experiments was the bending of light due to gravitation.

* BANG *

eNtRopY

 

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

origianlly posted by eNtRopY
Mr. Robin Parsons: Get a real reference, you fvckin' fvck. Einstein was the first to reject the concept of ether!

And in 'latin' no less, follow your own advise!

He didn't reject the concept, he accepted the evidence that was held against it.

PS please have your mother wash out your mouth with soap, the "potty smell" is, well, it is your breath not mine!

 

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

...and a little searching gives...

References; From this site...

http://itis.volta.alessandria.it/episteme/ep3-24.htm

However, it does not fully reflect the historical truth, and in a sense even represents a distortion [...] Einstein denied the existence of the ether for only 11 years - from 1905 to 1916. Thereafter, he recognized that his attitude was too radical and even regretted that his works published before 1916 had so definitely and absolutely rejected the existence of the ether."

or I suppose this site sort of works, (dubious?)

http://www.hollywood.org/cosmology/einstein.html

and from this site

http://www.lns.cornell.edu/spr/1998-11/msg0013583.html

these words...

Subject: Re: Einstein & "ether" misunderstood.
From: mmessall@mindspring.com
Date: 29 Nov 1998 00:00:00 GMT
Approved: baez@math.ucr.edu
Newsgroups: sci.physics.research,sci.physics
Organization: MindSpring Enterprises
References: <3658BEEE.2C8B701D@well.com> <mmcirvin-2411982021080001@ppp0a007.std.com> <73jlhi$vbd$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>
Reply-To: mmessall@mindspring.com

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ca314159@bestweb.net wrote:
> In article <mmcirvin-2411982021080001@ppp0a007.std.com>,
> mmcirvin@world.std.com (Matt McIrvin) wrote:
> > In article <3658BEEE.2C8B701D@well.com>, Jack <sarfatti@well.com> wrote:
> > >A common failure of physics teachers in high school and up,
> > >including many textbooks, is that they say that Einstein
> > >rejected the idea of the "ether". This is not at all true.
> > >What Einstein actually rejected was not "ethers" (there are
> > >more than one) but "absolute ethers". This is made crystal
> > >clear in his 1924 essay "On The Ether". Einstein basically
> > >embraced a more general form of Newton's third law that Paul
> > >Hewitt has expressed as "You cannot touch without being
> > >touched."

Aside from those items, you

Originally posted by eNtRopY

* Suddenly smokes bombs are launched through the windows. Glass shatters everywhere. A blanket of black fog completely darkens the room.

eNtRopY, equipped with infrared goggles, enters the room on a repelling cord. He shouts in seven different languages, All true Einstein fans hit the deck NOW!

Using an AK-47 assult rifle, he sweeps the room at waist height. *

reflects/demonstrates a rather violent mindset towards the opinions of others, not the best for health(y) I would "respectfully" suggest.

 

[einsteinian77]

I got it Plasma physics!

 

[eNtRopY]

Originally posted by einsteinian77
I got it Plasma physics!

* Removes handgun from front of pants... *

You see einsteinian77, you will never be able to find a branch of physics that hasn't been influenced by the work of Einstein because Einstein's work covers modern physics in a very broad sense. Einstein came around at a time when physics was at a standstill. People had been studying physics for the same way for centuries. Einstein didn't pay much attention in his classes; so, he simply reinvented physics.

Concerning plasmas:

In plasma spectroscopy, people use Einstein coefficients to calculate the lifetimes of excited states. In the study of very high temperature plasmas, people consider the plasma to be a relatvistic gas. When studying the diffusion of impurities in a plasma, one can use Fick's Law with the Einstein relation (as was previously mentioned in a different context. Finally, in plasma fusion we once again see the famous equation E = m*c^2.

* There's a passage I got memorized, seems appropriate for this situation: Ezekiel 25:17. "The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you." *

* eNtRopY empties his gun. Goddamn! *

eNtRopY

 

[eNtRopY]

Originally posted by maximus
what did einstein do in thermodynamics?

Oh yeah, I almost forgot... the Einstein Model gives us a practical means for approximating the phonon spectrum in solids. Not only does this cover thermodynamics, but it also covers solid state physics as well... just in case any you get any ideas.

* Blasts a few more rounds into a cold carcass just to watch it jump! *

eNtRopY

 

[selfAdjoint]

selfAdjoint (rising from the dead): Boo! You really need to blow away that ignorant "Einstein accepts the ether junk again." He didn't. He said curved spacetime replaces the ether.

But of course you, ninja-girl knew that. You know what, you're so damn cute when you're mad.

 

[bogdan]

Well...I surrender...but...what about "material resistance"...you know...the engineering stuff...?
Entropy...the first time I saw your post I thought it would be easy to respond...but now I realize it's quite impossible...
...but...what about the influence Newton had ?...name an area in physics in which Newton had nothing to say...until the 19h century...huh ? (except that stuff with light)

 

[eNtRopY]

Originally posted by selfAdjoint
selfAdjoint (rising from the dead): Boo! You really need to blow away that ignorant "Einstein accepts the ether junk again." He didn't. He said curved spacetime replaces the ether.

But of course you, ninja-girl knew that. You know what, you're so damn cute when you're mad.

* unsheaths katana *

I hope you're not talking to me.

eNtRopY

 

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

Originally posted by selfAdjoint
selfAdjoint (rising from the dead): Boo! You really need to blow away that ignorant "Einstein accepts the ether junk again." He didn't. He said curved spacetime replaces the ether.

Got any references for that one?

 

[Mattius_]

i know einstein had nothing to do with unification... he tried at failed badly because he was limited by technoledgy...

 

[selfAdjoint]

Originally posted by Mr. Robin Parsons
Got any references for that one?

Quote by Einstein: "The aether of the general theory of relativity is a medium without mechanical and kinetmatic properties, but which codetermines mechanical and electromagnetic events."

The thing within general relativity which meets this description is the unified spacetime/gravity field.

Note that the ether as usually thought of is inseparable from its "mechanical and kinematical properties".

 

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

Originally posted by selfAdjoint
Quote by Einstein: "The aether of the general theory of relativity is a medium without mechanical and kinetmatic properties, but which codetermines mechanical and electromagnetic events."

It has already been noted by one of the authors that I have cited that Einstein had initially endorsed the Ether as NON existent, then changed his mind, and came back to it.

the fact that you do not date your quote simply shows why you think he didn't believe in it, as history tells us that he later changed his mind, back towards agreement with it existing.

Originally posted by Moi
References; From this site...

http://itis.volta.alessandria.it/episteme/ep3-24.htm


However, it does not fully reflect the historical truth, and in a sense even represents a distortion [...] Einstein denied the existence of the ether for only 11 years - from 1905 to 1916. Thereafter, he recognized that his attitude was too radical and even regretted that his works published before 1916 had so definitely and absolutely rejected the existence of the ether."

Is that helpful?, more clear?