Dielectric Cylinder Polarization (Electrostatics)

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The problem involves an infinitely long dielectric cylinder characterized by a free charge density that varies with the radial distance from the center. Participants are tasked with determining the polarization and associated charge densities within the context of electrostatics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply Gauss's law to find the electric field and subsequently the electric displacement and polarization. They question the correctness of their approach and the implications of surface and volume charge densities.
  • Some participants confirm the calculations of E, D, and P, while also discussing the presence of free charge density and its implications for surface polarization charges.
  • Questions arise regarding the interpretation of variables in equations, the determination of surface charge density, and the verification of net polarization charge per unit length.
  • Others suggest clarifying the definitions of unit vectors related to the polarization vector and the conditions under which the net polarization charge is considered zero.

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Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of charge densities in a dielectric medium, with some noting the challenges posed by the infinite length of the cylinder and the implications for surface and volume charge calculations.

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Homework Statement



An infinitely long dielectric cylinder with radius R and relative permittivity ##\epsilon_r## contains a free charge density given by:

##\rho(s)= ks## for s<R and 0 for s>R, where k is a constant.

Find the polarization P and any volume or surface polarization charge densities.

Homework Equations



##D=\epsilon_0 E+P##

##P=\epsilon_0(\epsilon_r -1)E##

##\oint D.da = Q_{fenc}##

##D=\epsilon E##

Gauss's law for E fields

##\epsilon_r = \epsilon/\epsilon_0##

##\rho = \rho_{bound} + \rho_{free}## with ##\rho_{bound}=- \nabla. P## and ##\nabla. D = \rho_{free}##

The Attempt at a Solution



Using Gauss's law we find:

##E_{in} = \frac{ks^2}{3 \epsilon_0} \hat{s}##
Then we find the electric displacement D:

##\oint D.da = D 2 \pi s L = (ks) \pi s^2 L = Q_{fenc}##

##Q_{fenc} = 2\pi k l \int^s_0 s'^2 = \frac{2}{3} \pi kls^3##

##D= \frac{ks^2}{3} \hat{s}##
If I use D to find E we have: ##D=\epsilon E \implies E=\frac{ks^2}{3\epsilon_0\epsilon_r}##

Now using to find polarization I have used the E found from D instead of the E found from Gauss's law (please correct me if I am wrong):

##P=D-\epsilon_0 E = \frac{ks^2}{3}(1- \frac{1}{\epsilon_r})##

Is this the correct approach?

I believe ##\rho_{free}=0## since it is a dielectric. I'm guessing we need to have surface charges ##\sigma_{bound}=+P, \ \sigma_{bound}=-P##, but since the cylinder is infinitely long, where would be the two ends in which they are located? :confused:

And for the bound volume charge density I tried to find the gradient:

##\nabla . P = \frac{1}{s} \frac{\partial}{\partial s} (\frac{ks^3}{3} (1-\frac{1}{\epsilon_r})) = ks(1-\frac{1}{\epsilon_r})##

Is this correct? Also, shouldn't the net polarization charge per unit length be zero? How do we know (or can verify) this?

Any help is greatly appreciated.
 
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Hello
Well done , you find E , D and P correctly .
As you say that we have free charge density in the dielectric it means we inject free charge and it should be non-zero value because of
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we have surface polarization charges on s=R location that can be obtain with
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and for volume charge we have
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that you may correct it with multiply it by -1 .

you can verify your answer with knowledge of
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Hello!

Thank you for the input.

In your equation for ##\rho_{pol}##, what do "a" and "n" represent?

So for the surface charge density we basically equate that to the magnitude of polarization vector P, and then substitute R into the equation for P?

This is what I did:

##\sigma_{pol}=P=\frac{kR^2}{3} (1- \frac{1}{\epsilon_r})##​
What unit vector do you use to indicate the component of P perpendicular to the surface? (it's not ##\hat{s}## since it's not radial)

Now, for ##\rho_{pol}## I have added the minus sign to get: ##\rho_{pol}=- \nabla . P = -ks(1- 1/\epsilon_r)##.

I didn't understand what your last equation was, could you please type it more clearly? What does "all" and "surface" mean? And how does that prove the net polarization charge per unit length is zero?
 
How do I verify that the net polarization charge per unit length is zero? Do I need to show that ##Q_{tot} = (\sigma_{bound} \times Area) + (\rho_{bound} \times Volume)=0##?

Since ##\rho_{bound} = - \nabla . P = \frac{-2ks}{3} (1-\frac{1}{\epsilon_r}) \implies \frac{-2kR}{3} (1-\frac{1}{\epsilon_r})## we have:

##\therefore \frac{-2kR}{3}(1-\frac{1}{\epsilon_r}) \pi s^2 h + \frac{ks^2}{3} (1-\frac{1}{\epsilon_r}) 2 \pi sh \neq 0##

This is only equal to zero if I substitute R into all the s variables. But I thought this should only be done with ##\sigma_{bound}##. So what should I do?
 
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Sorry I response late ( I had & have different exams)
"an" is Perpendicular unit vector on your surface.as you see in this picture each surface has it's "Perpendicular unit vector" that you should calculate
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for each of them.
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In simple medium(with Homogeneous permittivity) that P and E are in the same direction it is easy that you use D=eE+P equation such as in your approach.
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for each surface that you calculate
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you should define exact value of (s,phi,z) then summation of all integral of them on their surface and integral of
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in specific volume should be zero ( As I remember it doesn't verify the answer when the length of object is infinite
 
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