Difference between open sphere and epsilon-neighbourhood - Metric Spaces

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the definitions of open spheres and ε-neighbourhoods in metric spaces, as presented in a specific mathematical text. Participants explore the implications of these definitions and seek clarification on their significance and correctness.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants clarify that an open sphere S(x_0,r) is defined as the set of points x in a metric space R such that the distance ρ(x,x_0) is less than r, with x_0 as the center and r as the radius.
  • Others argue that an ε-neighbourhood O(x,ε) should be defined as an open sphere centered at x, not at x_0, suggesting a potential typo in the original text.
  • One participant expresses confusion about whether a point x must lie within its own ε-neighbourhood, indicating uncertainty about the definitions provided.
  • Another participant emphasizes a preference for the term "open ball" over "open sphere," reflecting a stylistic choice rather than a conceptual disagreement.
  • Several participants agree that there appears to be a typographical error in the book regarding the definition of the ε-neighbourhood.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that there is a discrepancy in the definitions provided in the text, specifically regarding the center of the ε-neighbourhood. However, the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of this discrepancy and whether it affects the understanding of the concepts.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted ambiguity in the definitions as presented in the source material, which may lead to confusion about the relationship between points and their respective neighbourhoods.

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In Elements of the Theory of Functions and Functional Analysis (Kolmogorov and Fomin) the definitions are as follows:

An open sphere S(x_0,r) in a metric space R (with metric function \rho(x,y)) is the set of all points x\in R satisfying \rho(x,x_0)<r. The fixed point x_0 is called the center; the number r is called the radius.

An ε-neighbourhood of the point x, denoted O(x,\epsilon), is an open sphere of radius ε and center x_0.

How is the ε-neighbourhood a significant definition? It seems to be just the open sphere with a different radius symbol. If we have a neighbourhood of a point x (as per the definition) does this x have to lie within the open sphere? I mean, I assume it must, but this doesn't seem to be captured by the definition. What am I missing?

Thanks.
 
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TheShrike said:
In Elements of the Theory of Functions and Functional Analysis (Kolmogorov and Fomin) the definitions are as follows:

An open sphere S(x_0,r) in a metric space R (with metric function \rho(x,y)) is the set of all points x\in R satisfying \rho(x,x_0)<r. The fixed point x_0 is called the center; the number r is called the radius.

An ε-neighbourhood of the point x, denoted O(x,\epsilon), is an open sphere of radius ε and center x_0.
No. an \epsilon-neighborhood of the point x is open sphere with radius \epsilon and center x, not some x_0 (that wouldn't make sense because x_0 is not mentioned in the notation "O(x, \epsilon)").

How is the ε-neighbourhood a significant definition? It seems to be just the open sphere with a different radius symbol. If we have a neighbourhood of a point x (as per the definition) does this x have to lie within the open sphere? I mean, I assume it must, but this doesn't seem to be captured by the definition. What am I missing?

Thanks.
An "\epsilon-neighborhood of x" is specifically the open ball of radius \epsilon with radius \epsilon that is centered at x.
 
An ε-neighbourhood of the point x, denoted O(x,ϵ), is an open sphere of radius ε and center x0.

I think this should read

An ε-neighbourhood of the point x, denoted O(x,ϵ), is an open sphere of radius ε and center x.

I have bolded the difference.

I prefer the term open ball to open sphere however.

edit I see Halls of ivy just beat me.

:biggrin:
 
Studiot said:
I think this should read

An ε-neighbourhood of the point x, denoted O(x,ϵ), is an open sphere of radius ε and center x.

I have bolded the difference.

I prefer the term open ball to open sphere however.

edit I see Halls of ivy just beat me.

:biggrin:
Yahoo!:-p
 
That's as I suspected. There must be a typo in the book.

Suddenly it all makes sense. :smile:
 

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