Difference between Perfect Diamagnetism and Superconductors

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the differences between perfect diamagnetism and superconductors, particularly in relation to the Meissner Effect and the behavior of magnetic fields in these materials. Participants explore theoretical concepts and seek clarification on the underlying principles.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant, HK, inquires about the differences between perfect diamagnetism and superconductors, specifically regarding the Meissner Effect and how magnetic fields behave in these materials at low temperatures.
  • Another participant notes that diamagnetic materials exclude magnetic fields from their interiors, contrasting this with the attraction of magnetic fields by paramagnetic materials, and mentions the role of lone pairs of electrons in diamagnetism versus Cooper pairs in superconductivity.
  • HK requests further elaboration on perfect diamagnetism and the Meissner Effect, indicating a desire for a deeper understanding of these concepts.
  • A participant suggests checking a hyperphysics webpage for a derivation of the Meissner Effect, implying that mathematical formulations exist to explain the phenomenon.
  • HK expresses a preference for a conceptual description or a "hand-waving argument" suitable for a presentation topic in an E&M physics course, rather than a detailed mathematical proof.
  • Another participant humorously suggests that transforming mathematics into words and using vague analogies could suffice for a hand-waving argument.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants appear to have differing preferences for the type of explanation needed, with some favoring conceptual descriptions while others reference mathematical derivations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the clarity of the Meissner Effect and its implications for understanding the differences between perfect diamagnetism and superconductors.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the depth of understanding of the Meissner Effect and the specific conditions under which perfect diamagnetism and superconductivity occur. The reliance on different types of explanations (conceptual vs. mathematical) may affect the clarity of the concepts being discussed.

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Could someone please explain the difference between Perfect Diamagnetism and Superconductors in terms of the Meissner Effect and the magnetic field passing through an element of the sort.

Under low temperatures in perfect diamagnetic materials if there is a magnetic field it remains the same even when the resistance becomes 0 while for superconductors under low temperatures when they reach the superconducting point (low enough temp.) they exclude any external magnetic field that might be passing through them. Why is this the case? I know this is explained through the Meissner Effect but I do not really understand the concept and theory behind it.

Thanks,
HK
 
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diamagnetic materials exclude magnetic fields from there interiors just as paramagnetic materials attract them. diamagnetism is associated with lone pairs of electrons just as superconductivity is associated with cooper pairs.
 


Thanks for your answer but could you elaborate a little more on perfect diamagnetism and the Meissner effect for superconductors.

Thanks,
HK
 


Not sure if you want simply a hand-waving argument, or a detailed derivation. Still, check out the hyperphysics webpage

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/solids/meis.html

If you click on the link for the London equation, you'll get one of the derivation of the Meissner effect.

Zz.
 


That seems like a very nice and elegant proof, however, I would appreciate a conceptual description (or hand-waving argument like you said) since this is a presantation topic for my E&M physics course.

Thanks,
HK
 


Hells_Kitchen said:
That seems like a very nice and elegant proof, however, I would appreciate a conceptual description (or hand-waving argument like you said) since this is a presantation topic for my E&M physics course.

Thanks,
HK

Then put the mathematics into words, introduce a few vague analogies, and viola! You have a hand-waving argument.

Zz.
 

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