Difference between Yield stress and Proportional Limit

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the distinction between "Proportional Limit stress" and "Yield Stress" as observed in stress-strain diagrams, exploring theoretical definitions and practical implications.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether there is a difference between the Proportional Limit stress and Yield Stress when examining stress-strain diagrams.
  • Another participant references a textbook stating that the yield point is often close to the proportional limit, suggesting they may be considered the same for practical purposes, but notes the yield point is easier to identify.
  • A different participant asks if the proportional limit and upper yield are indistinguishable on the stress-strain curve.
  • One participant agrees that they are indistinguishable but mentions that the proportional limit is vaguely defined.
  • Another participant claims to have defined the proportional limit themselves, indicating uncertainty about where the non-linear curve begins and admitting to using a subjective method to determine it.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the clarity and distinction between the Proportional Limit and Yield Stress, with no consensus reached on their definitions or identification methods.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the ambiguity in defining the proportional limit and the challenges in identifying the yield point, particularly for materials without a well-defined yield point.

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Is there a difference, when looking at the stress-strain diagram, between the "Proportional Limit stress" and the "Yield Stress" ?

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I picked up my old "Introduction to mechanics of solids" text by Egor P. Popov and it states the following:
A study of stress-strain diagrams shows that the yield point is so near the proportional limit that for most purposes the two may be taken as one. However, it is much easier to locate the former. For materials which do not possesses a well-defined yield point, one is actually "invented" by the use of the so-call offset method.
Hope this helps a little.
 
So, looking at this stress-strain curve, would you say that the proportional limit and the upper yield are in distinguishable?

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I would say yes but the porportional limit is somewhat vaguely defined.
 
That's because I defined it. I have no way of telling exactly where the non-linear curve begins... so I just "eyeballed'" it.
 

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