Differential Equations and Initial Values

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The discussion revolves around solving an initial value problem involving a first-order linear differential equation of the form y'(t) + y(t)/t = 1/t^4 with the initial condition y(2) = 1. Participants are attempting to find the value of y(3).

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are examining the use of an integrating factor and the integration steps involved. There are questions about the notation used, particularly regarding "yt" versus y(t), and the correctness of the integration process. Some participants are suggesting that the original poster's steps may be incorrect and are prompting a reevaluation of the integration and differentiation involved.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on the original poster's approach and questioning the validity of certain steps. There is no explicit consensus on the correct method yet, but there is a clear direction towards clarifying the integration process and correcting potential misunderstandings.

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Participants are working under the constraints of the initial value problem and are focused on ensuring the mathematical steps align with the properties of linear differential equations. There is an emphasis on correctly applying the integrating factor and interpreting the results accurately.

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Homework Statement


If y is the solution of the initial value problem

y'(t) + y(t)/t = 1/t4

y(2)=1

What is y(3)

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



I u(t) = e∫1/t dt = eln t = t

∫[yt]' dt = t-4 dt

yt = -1/3t3 + C

Plugging in my initial value I solve for C:

1 = -1/3(24) + C/t

C = 2 + 1/3(23)

C = 2 + 1/24 = 49/24

y(3) = -1/3(34) + 49/24

y(3) = 3961/1944

The answer should be 149/216 but I can't see where I'm going wrong. Help is appreciated.
 

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Northbysouth said:
I u(t) = e∫1/t dt = eln t = t

∫[yt]' dt = t-4 dt

yt = -1/3t3 + C
I have no idea what you are doing here.

Let's check:
I think "yt" should be y(t)? And the t3 is part of the denominator?
Like this: y(t) = -1/(3t3) + C
y'=1/t4
Therefore, ##\frac{1}{t^4} -\frac{1}{3t^4} + \frac{C}{t} = \frac{1}{t^4}##
This cannot be true for all t.
 
Northbysouth said:

Homework Statement


If y is the solution of the initial value problem

y'(t) + y(t)/t = 1/t4

y(2)=1

What is y(3)

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



I u(t) = e∫1/t dt = eln t = t

∫[yt]' dt = t-4 dt

That step is incorrect. First write the correct equation ##(ty)' = ?##, then integrate it.
 
mfb said:
I have no idea what you are doing here.
He's finding the "integrating factor" for a linear differential equation. But, as LCKurtz says, he used it improperly. Multiplying both sides of y'(t) + y(t)/t = 1/t4 by t gives
ty'(t)+ y(t)= (yt)'= 1/t3
Let's check:
I think "yt" should be y(t)?
No, it clearly should not be: integrating (ty)' gives t times y.

And the t3 is part of the denominator?
Like this: y(t) = -1/(3t3) + C
y'=1/t4
Therefore, ##\frac{1}{t^4} -\frac{1}{3t^4} + \frac{C}{t} = \frac{1}{t^4}##
This cannot be true for all t.
 

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