Differential form of Gauss' law: All three terms the same value?

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The discussion revolves around the differential form of Gauss' law, specifically whether the divergence of the electric field can be expressed as a third of the charge density divided by permittivity, and the implications of isotropy in electric fields generated by point charges versus dipoles.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the validity of expressing the divergence of the electric field as a third of the charge density, suggesting that the isotropic nature of the electric field from a point charge should affect all directions equally.
  • Another participant argues against this idea, emphasizing the importance of the coordinate-independent definition of divergence and suggesting that the divergence should not be simplified in that manner.
  • A different viewpoint proposes that the electric field of a point charge could be decomposed into three component fields, each aligned with a coordinate direction, but acknowledges the complexity of charge distributions.
  • Another participant clarifies that while components can be separated, the divergence equation provides a scalar indicating flux density, and that charge cannot be treated as vector components.
  • One participant provides an example using the Coulomb field to illustrate that the divergence of the electric field is zero except at the location of the charge.
  • Another participant notes that the field of a dipole is not isotropic, which contrasts with the discussion focused on point charges.
  • A later reply reiterates that the original post was about the Coulomb field, not a dipole field, and confirms that the divergence remains zero except at the dipole's location.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of divergence in relation to isotropic electric fields and charge distributions. No consensus is reached regarding the validity of the original claim about the divergence being a third of the charge density.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference different mathematical interpretations and definitions related to divergence, indicating potential limitations in understanding or applying these concepts in the context of electromagnetism.

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Hi.

Is the Maxwell equation
$$\nabla\cdot\vec{E}=\frac{\rho}{\varepsilon_0}$$
even true in the stronger form
$$\frac{\partial E_i}{\partial x_i}=\frac{\rho}{3\cdot\varepsilon_0}\enspace ?$$
I guess not, since I haven't found a source suggesting this. But shouldn't the isotropic electric field of a point charge change the total electric field in all directions by the same amount?
 
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No, why should that hold? It's better to think about the divergence in terms of its coordinate-independent definition,
$$\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{E}(\vec{x})=\lim_{\Delta V \rightarrow \{\vec{x} \} }\int_{\partial \Delta V} \mathrm{d}^2 \vec{f} \cdot \vec{E}.$$
 
My idea was somehow as follows: Since the electric field of a point charge is isotropic and everything is linear, shouldn't it be possible to separate its field into three component fields where every one of those fields only has field vectors in one coordinate direction? And since everything can be thought of as made up by point charges (delta distribution), this would translate to any charge distributions and fields.
 
While you could separate the electric field into components, what you are actually getting from this equation is a scalar that tells you the flux density by volume.
It will be the same regardless of dimension, plus the charge itself can't be separated into vectors as it is a scalar as well. You don't get a third of electric field in each axis, the coordinates share components using trigonometry.

I would suggest going through linear algebra and vector analysis before tackling electromagnetism, I think there is a salad here.
 
Take he Coulomb field as an example,
$$\vec{E}=\frac{q}{4 \pi} \frac{\vec{x}}{r^3}.$$
Then
$$\partial_x E_x=\frac{q}{4 \pi} \frac{-2x^2+y^2+z^3}{r^5},$$
but
$$\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{E}=0, \quad \vec{x} \neq 0.$$
 
The field of a dipole is not isotropic.
 
The OP was taking about the Coulomb not a dipole field. Of course, also for the dipole field you have ##\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{E}=0## except at the place of the dipole, where the field is singular.
 

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