Differentiating an integral and finding f(x)

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The problem involves finding all functions f(x) that satisfy the equation ∫f dx ∫1/f dx = -1. The context is rooted in calculus, specifically in the differentiation of integrals and the exploration of differential equations.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss differentiating integrals and applying the quotient rule. There are attempts to solve the resulting differential equation, leading to the expression f = cex. Questions arise about verifying the solution and the legality of assigning constants to achieve a desired result.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the handling of constants in integrals, and there is recognition of the need to clarify the role of integration constants in the context of the solution.

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Participants note potential constraints related to the constants of integration and the implications of setting them to zero. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in proving the correctness of the proposed solutions.

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Homework Statement


Find all f(x) satisfying:
∫f dx ∫1/f dx = -1

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution



I solved for ∫1/f dx and differentiated both sides (using the quotient rule for the right side):
∫1/f dx = -1 / ∫f dx
1/f = f / (∫f dx)2
(∫f dx)2 = f2
∫fdx = ±f

f = ±f'

Solving the differential equation for f = f ' I get f = cex

But when I try to prove if my solution is correct, I got:

∫cex dx ∫ 1/(cex) dx = -1
(ex + k1)(-e-x + k2) = -1
And I don't know what to do to get -1 on the left side.

Could you give me a hint please?
 
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supermiedos said:

Homework Statement


Find all f(x) satisfying:
∫f dx ∫1/f dx = -1

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution



I solved for ∫1/f dx and differentiated both sides (using the quotient rule for the right side):
∫1/f dx = -1 / ∫f dx
1/f = f / (∫f dx)2
(∫f dx)2 = f2
∫fdx = ±f

f = ±f '
Wow! It's hard to see the ' on ƒ '
Solving the differential equation for f = f ' I get f = cex

But when I try to prove if my solution is correct, I got:

∫cex dx ∫ 1/(cex) dx = -1
(ex + k1)(-e-x + k2) = -1
And I don't know what to do to get -1 on the left side.

Could you give me a hint please?
It's been edited. (Sorry for messing up that quote originally.)
It works if k1 = k2 = 0 .

Also, where did the constant, c, go in your last line?
 
SammyS said:
Wow! It's hard to see the ' on ƒ '
Solving the differential equation for f = f ' I get f = cex

But when I try to prove if my solution is correct, I got:

∫cex dx ∫ 1/(cex) dx = -1
(ex + k1)(-e-x + k2) = -1
And I don't know what to do to get -1 on the left side.

Could you give me a hint please?[/QUOTE]
It works is k1 = k2 = 0 .

But is it legal to do that? Giving values to fit the desired result?

Also, where did the constant, c, go in your last line?[/QUOTE]
"c" canceled with the another "c" in the denominator of the second integral.
 
supermiedos said:
"c" canceled with the another "c" in the denominator of the second integral.
c does not cancel if k1, k2 ≠ 0 .

You're right.

I was missing the fact that you can factor c out of the integrals or equivalently, you can have the integration constants "absorb" c.
 
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