Dilution process in spectrophometer

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The discussion revolves around the dilution process in spectrophotometry, particularly in the context of measuring concentrations during neutralization reactions involving weak acids or bases. Participants explore the implications of water's autoionization on measurement accuracy and the relationship between absorbance and concentration as described by Beer's law.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express concern that water's autoionization may introduce errors in spectrophotometric measurements during dilution processes.
  • It is noted that Beer's law assumes a linear relationship between absorbance and concentration, ideally crossing the origin on a concentration-absorbance plot.
  • There is a request for clarification on whether the discussion pertains to endpoint detection in titration or another aspect of the neutralization reaction.
  • One participant distinguishes between measuring concentration and detecting the endpoint of a titration, suggesting these are separate objectives.
  • Another participant questions whether the changes in concentration due to autoionization during dilution are significant enough to be considered in the measurements.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants appear to have differing views on the relevance of concentration measurement versus endpoint detection in titrations, indicating a lack of consensus on the primary focus of the discussion. Additionally, there is uncertainty regarding the impact of water's autoionization on measurement accuracy.

Contextual Notes

Limitations in the discussion include potential missing assumptions about the significance of autoionization effects, the specific conditions under which measurements are taken, and the definitions of terms like "endpoint" and "concentration" in the context of titration.

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When using spectrophotometer, to use Rambert-beer's law, we often go through dilution process. Then when measuring neutralization reaction and using week acid or base, then because of water's autoionizaition, i think the results have error.
Is it right?
 
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The law relies on the idea that absorbance is a linear relationship to concentration. Ideally, linear, and (I believe) the line crosses the concentration-absorbance plot at the origin.
 
Serenie said:
when measuring neutralization reaction

Please elaborate, it is not clear to what you refer here. End point detection of titration, or something else?
 
Serenie said:
When using spectrophotometer, to use Rambert-beer's law, we often go through dilution process. Then when measuring neutralization reaction and using week acid or base, then because of water's autoionizaition, i think the results have error.
Is it right?
After reread and thinking about this again, the description is of two usually very separate things: Spectrophotometer to help measure concentration of some dissolved item which absorbs a specified wavelength of visible light; and neutralization titration between acid and base for which endpoint detection would be either by pH-meter, or acid-base indicator compound. These two ideas are usually not related. Maybe you tell what item is being measured?
 
What i mean is that when doing neutralization titration, we need to measure the concentration. And i want to measure it by spectrophotometer. But when using spectrophotometer, i often need to go through dilution process. Then, while doing the dilution process in the acid solutiton, the concentration may change because of water's autoionizaition.
So what I'm wondering is whether by doing dilution process, the change in concentration (because of autoionization) is trivial enough to ignore.

i'm sorry about my bad english.
 
Serenie said:
What i mean is that when doing neutralization titration, we need to measure the concentration.

No, we don't need to detect the concentration, we need to detect the endpoint of the titration. These are two different things.

In general the discussion behind is not very different from the discussion of the end point detection when using one- and two- color indicators. Compare http://www.titrations.info/acid-base-titration-end-point-detection
 
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