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The discussion centers on the concept of the propagator in the context of time-dependent potentials in quantum mechanics. Participants explore the validity and calculation methods of the propagator, particularly in relation to the time evolution operator and Feynman path integrals.

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  • One participant questions how the propagator can act on an initial wave function in the presence of a time-dependent potential, suggesting that the evolution operator may not be applicable in such cases.
  • Another participant argues that an evolution operator can still be formed for time-dependent potentials, noting that it becomes a function of both initial and final times rather than just the time difference.
  • A further participant expresses uncertainty about the validity of the propagator when calculated directly, specifically referencing the use of the evolution operator in this context.
  • Another response clarifies that the propagator is calculated using a specific equation involving the Hamiltonian and emphasizes the role of the causal time-ordering symbol in the formal solution.

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Participants express differing views on the applicability and calculation of the propagator in the presence of time-dependent potentials, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of the Hamiltonian and the conditions under which the evolution operator is valid, which are not fully resolved.

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Hello all,

I have a fundamental problem with the concept of the propagator regarding to time dependent potential. If the propagator is based on the expansion of the time evolution operator, how can it act on initial wave function in the presence of time dependent potential? You cannot use the evolution operator with these kind of potentials. I can accept the solution of Feynman path integrals, because in this frame, the time is split to many short intervals in which the time evolution operator is valid. However, can you still calculate the propagator by direct calculation?

Thanks, The Samurai.
 
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Actually, you can form an evolution operator even in the case of time dependent potential. The only difference is that if there's explicit time-dependence in the Hamiltonian, the evolution operator is a function of both initial and final times, ##U(t_{1},t_{2})##, instead of only the time difference, ##U(t_{2}-t_{1})##.
 
Hi Hilbert, thank you for your response. I'm still not sure if the propagator is still valid though. When the propagator is calculated directly, we employ ##\langle x|e^{-iH(t_{1}-t_{2})/\hbar}|x'\rangle##. Can we calculate it by ##\langle x|U(t_{1},t_{2})|x'\rangle##?
 
No we don't :-).

Rather we solve
[tex]\mathrm{i} \hbar \partial_t \hat{U}(t,t')=\hat{H}(t) \hat{U}(t,t'), \quad \hat{U}(t,t)=1[/tex]
(in the Schrödinger picture of time evolution).

The formal solution is
[tex]\hat{U}(t,t') = \mathcal{T}_c \exp \left [-\frac{\mathrm{i}}{\hbar}\int_{t'}^{t} \mathrm{d} t'' \hat{H}(t'') \right ],[/tex]
where [itex]\mathcal{T}_c[/itex] is the causal time-ordering symbol. For details, see my QFT manuscript (Sect. 1.3)

http://fias.uni-frankfurt.de/~hees/publ/lect.pdf

Note that there the general interaction picture of time-evolution is discussed!
 

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