Direction of frictional force during walking

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the direction of the frictional force during walking, exploring the mechanics of how friction interacts with the ground and the foot. Participants examine various aspects of this topic, including static versus dynamic friction, the role of air resistance, and the implications of different walking phases.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that friction acts in the forward direction when walking, while others clarify that it opposes relative motion, which can lead to confusion regarding its actual direction during different phases of walking.
  • One participant explains that during normal walking, the frictional force is static and acts in the direction of the body's acceleration, not during sliding.
  • Another participant notes that the rear foot exerts a backward frictional force on the ground, which results in a forward force on the foot, propelling the walker forward.
  • There is a discussion about the integral of the frictional force over a gait cycle, with some participants questioning whether it must be positive and considering the effects of air resistance.
  • Some participants mention that if all friction is static, it does no work, and the work against air resistance is performed by the muscles.
  • One participant suggests that the average direction of the friction force may vary depending on the walking style, such as sprinting or walking at a steady pace.
  • A model of human walking as an inverted pendulum is proposed, indicating that without external factors like air resistance, the frictional forces would balance out during the stance phase.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion contains multiple competing views regarding the direction and nature of friction during walking. Participants express uncertainty and explore different models without reaching a consensus.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on specific definitions of friction (static vs. dynamic) and the phases of walking. The discussion includes unresolved questions about the effects of air resistance and the implications of different walking speeds on frictional forces.

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Will you please explain where actually the force due to friction acts while a man is walking forward.
I am really confused with a lot of confusing things in the internet.
I am unable to give a fixed answer to my students.

I saw somewhere that friction acts in forward direction, please explain it to me.

Since this is my first post in here, I don't actually know the rules, please consider.
 
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Friction always opposes the relative motions between two surfaces in contact.
So when the foot moves from left to right,friction is from right to left

I am really confused with a lot of confusing things in the internet.
What is the website where you got confused?

Zz
 
When you are walking forward, the bottom of your rear foot exerts a backward frictional force on the ground. The ground exerts an equal and opposite forward force on your rear foot. This force moves you forward.
 
adjacent said:
Friction always opposes the relative motions between two surfaces in contact.
So when the foot moves from left to right,friction is from right to left
He is asking about normal walking, not sliding around. In normal walking there is no relative motion between shoe and ground during most of the stance phase. The horizontal ground reaction force is static friction, not dynamic friction. Its direction is the same as the horizontal acceleration of the body's center of mass.
 
Chestermiller said:
When you are walking forward, the bottom of your rear foot exerts a backward frictional force on the ground. The ground exerts an equal and opposite forward force on your rear foot. This force moves you forward.
Only in the late stance phase. In the early stance phase it is the other way around, and you are braking. See diagram from above link:

grfs-graph.gif
 
Hi A.T.:

Very interesting. Am I correct in saying that the integral of the frictional force by the ground over each gait cycle has to be positive? I can't tell from the figure whether this is the case.

Chet
 
Chestermiller said:
Am I correct in saying that the integral of the frictional force by the ground over each gait cycle has to be positive?
If your final horizontal speed equals your initial horizontal speed, the integral is only slightly positive due to air resistance.
 
Chestermiller said:
Am I correct in saying that the integral of the frictional force by the ground over each gait cycle has to be positive?

A.T. said:
If your final horizontal speed equals your initial horizontal speed, the integral is only slightly positive due to air resistance.

If all the friction is static (i.e. no sliding), the friction force does no work. The work done to overcome air resistance comes from your muscles, not from friction. The work is done in changing the angles of the joints in the legs.

I don't see any obvious reason why the time-average of the friction force should be take any particular value. You could speculate that it the average would be in different directions depending on how you were moving (e.g. sprinting, or goose-stepping)
 
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Thanks AT and AlephZero. Excellent answers.

Chet
 
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I think we should wait for the OP to return now.
 
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AlephZero said:
The work done to overcome air resistance comes from your muscles, not from friction.
Work is not everything. Momentum conservation still applies. At constant average speed the horizontal momentum transfer from the ground, must cancel the horizontal momentum transfer to the air.

AlephZero said:
You could speculate that it the average would be in different directions depending on how you were moving (e.g. sprinting, or goose-stepping)
Different speeds have different air resistance, and therefore require different horizontal momentum transfer from the ground, in order to maintain a constant average speed.
 
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AlephZero said:
I don't see any obvious reason why the time-average of the friction force should be take any particular value.

Thinking a bit more, from the free body diagram for the human, the time-average friction force on the ground + the time average horizontal air resistance force = 0, for constant average walking velocity.

(And that seems like a different way to state A.T.s momentum transfer argument).
 
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Human walking can be modeled as an inverted pendulum. Without air resistance and muscle action, the horizontal ground reaction force (friction) would be a perfectly symmetrical back/forward profile and sum up to zero during the stance phase.

284358.fig.002.jpg


In reality there is damping and propulsion by the muscles.
 

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