Direction of (Inertial) centrifugal force here?

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves an object sliding on an elliptical hill and seeks to determine the direction of the inertial centrifugal force at various moments during its motion. The context is rooted in dynamics and circular motion principles.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the nature of the radius "r" in the centrifugal force equation, considering how it varies with the curvature of the ellipse. Questions arise about estimating the center of curvature and its relationship to the tangent of the curve.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the concepts related to centrifugal and centripetal forces, with some participants providing insights into the changing nature of the radius of curvature. A few participants express uncertainty about specific statements and seek clarification on the relationship between curvature and force direction.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the radius of curvature changes over time as the object moves along the elliptical path, which may affect their understanding of the forces involved. There is also mention of the distinction between centripetal and centrifugal forces, highlighting the need for clarity in definitions.

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Homework Statement


an object is sliding on an elliptical hill shown in picture. what is the direction of (inertial) centrifugal force at each moment?
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Homework Equations


F=mv^2/r

The Attempt at a Solution


I think it should be towards the center of ellipse and value of r in the formula varies by time.
Not sure.
 
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Perhaps you should consider what the "r" is in the centripetal or centrifugal force equation. Can you estimate the center of curvature of a local bit of the ellipse at various locations? How is the direction of the radius of curvature related to the tangent of the curve?
 
gneill said:
Perhaps you should consider what the "r" is in the centripetal or centrifugal force equation. Can you estimate the center of curvature of a local bit of the ellipse at various locations? How is the direction of the radius of curvature related to the tangent of the curve?
r is distance from center of rotation. in circular motions r is constant but here it changes by time.
is center of a small curve center of a larger circle which that curve is departed from?
 
AHashemi said:
r is distance from center of rotation. in circular motions r is constant but here it changes by time.
is center of a small curve center of a larger circle which that curve is departed from?
I'm not sure that I understand your intended meaning for that last statement. But it is true that for the ellipse the radius of curvature changes at every point, in both length and the direction to its "center". If you can estimate the line along which the radius of curvature lies at several places on the sketch then you will have found the direction of the centrifugal force vector for those locations.
 
I am pretty new, but wouldn't it be, by definition, orthogonal and pointing outwards?
 
jcruise322 said:
I am pretty new, but wouldn't it be, by definition, orthogonal and pointing outwards?
Yes.
Centripetal force and centrifugal inertial force have opposite directions. When I said it should be towards center of ellipse I was talking about centripetal force.
 

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