Direction of the magnetic field of the Earth

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The discussion centers around the direction of the magnetic field of the Earth and how it affects compass behavior in three-dimensional space. Participants explore the implications of proximity to the magnetic poles, the concept of the Angle of Dip, and variations in magnetic declination across different geographical locations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the three-dimensional orientation of a compass and whether it would point directly to the North Pole or remain parallel to the Earth's surface.
  • Others explain that a compass aligns with the Earth's magnetic field lines, which enter the Earth near the poles, causing the compass to point downward in those areas.
  • One participant challenges the assumption that magnetic field lines run directly from the North Pole to the surface, suggesting that this is only true directly above the poles.
  • Several participants mention the Angle of Dip, noting that compasses are optimized for specific areas to avoid pointing downward excessively.
  • There is a discussion about the angle of dip being zero at the equator, with one participant expressing skepticism about this claim due to the geometry of the Earth's poles.
  • Another participant connects the concept of dip to geology, explaining how it relates to the cooling of iron-rich lavas and the evidence for plate tectonics.
  • One participant highlights the variation in compass direction due to magnetic declination, which changes based on geographical location and over time.
  • There is mention of the Earth's magnetic field intensity weakening and the movement of magnetic North, suggesting reliance on GPS over traditional compasses.
  • Participants share tools and resources for understanding magnetic fields, including NOAA tools and magnetic field calculators.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views regarding compass behavior, the nature of magnetic field lines, and the implications of magnetic declination. There is no consensus on several points, particularly regarding the assumptions about the magnetic field's geometry and the accuracy of the Angle of Dip at different latitudes.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on specific definitions and assumptions about the Earth's magnetic field and compass design. The discussion includes unresolved questions about the accuracy of certain statements regarding the Angle of Dip and magnetic declination.

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So, I have had a bit of a look around and can't come up with a concrete answer, so I thought I'd post my curiosity on here!

What is the direction that a compass points in 3 dimensional space, and how is this affected by proximity to North?

to clarify what I mean: We all know that compasses point north, but this is usually on a single axis, perpendicular to Gravity. if we had a compass which was free to rotate in 3 axes, would it point directly through the ground towards the north pole, or would it continue to be parallel to the Earth's surface? would this change as the compass was moved closer to the pole? I am assuming that it would point straight down at the pole.

Thanks!
 
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Have you ever Googled a map of the Earth's magnetic field? While I believe that most such make the probably unwarranted assumption that the Magnetic North Pole is on the surface of the Earth, even if you posit that it is below the surface you will still see that there is no way that a magnetic field line could run directly from the North Pole to a point on the surface where you are holding a compass (unless that point was directly above one of the poles)
 
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The downward angle is called the Angle of Dip.
Compasses are optimised for the area where they will be used by altering the balance a little, so they do not tend to point downward.
 
tech99 said:
The downward angle is called the Angle of Dip.
Compasses are optimised for the area where they will be used by altering the balance a little, so they do not tend to point downward.
Very interesting. I didn't know that. Thanks for posting.

I see from a quick look on the Internet that this is actually an issue since if the dip is too great and is not accommodated, the needle can rub against the casing and give poor readings.
 
phinds said:
Very interesting. I didn't know that. Thanks for posting.

I see from a quick look on the Internet that this is actually an issue since if the dip is too great and is not accommodated, the needle can rub against the casing and give poor readings.
When I was at school we measured angle of dip using a vertical compass called a dip circle.
 
I also note that the one internet article I read states that the dip is zero at the equator. Technically, that can't be quite right since the poles are not on a line that is perpendicular to the equatorial circle. It's probably close enough for government work though.
 
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The dip comes up in geology. As iron-rich lavas cool below, crystals (free to rotate in three dimensions) to the local magnetic field. When the rocks are completely cooled, the dips are locked in place and record the latitude at which the igneous rocks cooled. This is part of the evidence for plate tectonic theory.
 
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tech99 said:
The downward angle is called the Angle of Dip.

Inclination.
 
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You are aware that the compass does not usually point directly north (to the Earth's rotational axis) but varies according to location (Lat and Long) around the world. In the US it varies by a total of more than 40 degrees from the east coast to the west. This variation is called the magnetic declination. At the east cost the needle points NNW and at the west coast it points NNE from true north. The magnetic declination also change a small but significant amount each year. The declination and its variation are recorded on the compass rose(s) of navigational charts for the area that the chart covers.
 
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This just in from the morning newspaper. The Earth's magnetic field intensity is weakening and magnetic North is moving towards Siberia at 34 miles/year. All of which makes a case for relying on GPS rather than compasses.
 
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@Dr Dr news - there are maps and navigation electronics that correct for the problem. BTW the two poles, both magnetic and geographic, have not been close together for a long time.

see the graphics here, note the one that shows pole wanderings. https://planet-earth-2017.com/wandering-poles/
 
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@dlgoff pointed me to a very nice NOAA tool a few years back:
Magnetic Field Calculators

According to that thing, the magnetic field lines where I live, 45.5°N & 122.5°W, go through my brain, and enter the Earth just 2 feet in front of me.

Not quite vertical, but still, not as I ever pictured it. (Until dl pointed it out, of course.)
 
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OmCheeto said:
... the magnetic field lines where I live, 45.5°N & 122.5°W, go through my brain, and enter the Earth just 2 feet in front of me.
You're lucky. They don't seem to leave my brain at all :confused:
 
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