Directional Derivative Example .... SHifrin, Ch.3, Section 1, Example 3 ....

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The discussion centers around Example 3 from Chapter 3, Section 1 of "Multivariable Mathematics" by Theodore Shifrin, specifically focusing on the concept of directional derivatives and the mathematical expression involving limits and norms of vectors. Participants seek clarification on the equivalence of two expressions involving the limit as \( t \) approaches 0.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • Peter requests clarification on how the limit expression involving the norm of a vector can be shown to equal another limit expression.
  • One participant suggests that the equality \( \left\| a+t\dfrac{a}{\|a\|}\right\|=\|a\| + t \) holds because both \( a \) and \( \dfrac{a}{\|a\|} \) point in the same direction, and provides an analogy with positive numbers on the real line.
  • Another participant provides an alternative derivation of the norm expression, emphasizing the condition \( t > -\|a\| \) to ensure the expression remains valid.
  • Peter acknowledges the clarification but seeks further understanding of the necessity of the condition \( 1+\dfrac{t}{\|a\|} > 0 \) for the equality to hold.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple approaches to the problem, with no consensus on a single method being definitive. The discussion remains exploratory, with various interpretations and derivations being shared.

Contextual Notes

The discussion involves assumptions about the properties of norms and vector directions, as well as conditions under which certain mathematical expressions are valid. These assumptions are not fully resolved within the conversation.

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I am reading the book: Multivariable Mathematics by Theodore Shifrin ... and am focused on Section 3.1 Partial Derivatives and Directional Derivatives ...

I need some help with Example 3 in Chapter 3, Section 1 ...

Example 3 in Chapter 3, Section 1 reads as follows:View attachment 8587In the above text we read the following:" ... ... $$\lim_{ t \to 0 } \frac{ \| a + t \frac{a}{ \| a \| } \| - \| a \| }{ t } = \lim_{ t \to 0 } \frac{ ( \| a \| - t ) - \| a \| }{ t } $$ ... ... "
Can someone please explain exactly how $$\lim_{ t \to 0 } \frac{ \| a + t \frac{a}{ \| a \| } \| - \| a \| }{ t } = \lim_{ t \to 0 } \frac{ ( \| a \| - t ) - \| a \| }{ t } $$ ... ... ... indeed, specifically how $$\| a + t \frac{a}{ \| a \| } \| = ( \| a \| - t )$$ ... ...
Help will be appreciated ...

Peter
 

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Hi Peter,

This is a nice question.

Peter said:
I am reading the book: Multivariable Mathematics by Theodore Shifrin ... and am focused on Section 3.1 Partial Derivatives and Directional Derivatives ...

I need some help with Example 3 in Chapter 3, Section 1 ...

Example 3 in Chapter 3, Section 1 reads as follows:In the above text we read the following:" ... ... $$\lim_{ t \to 0 } \frac{ \| a + t \frac{a}{ \| a \| } \| - \| a \| }{ t } = \lim_{ t \to 0 } \frac{ ( \| a \| - t ) - \| a \| }{ t } $$ ... ... "
Can someone please explain exactly how $$\lim_{ t \to 0 } \frac{ \| a + t \frac{a}{ \| a \| } \| - \| a \| }{ t } = \lim_{ t \to 0 } \frac{ ( \| a \| - t ) - \| a \| }{ t } $$ ... ... ... indeed, specifically how $$\| a + t \frac{a}{ \| a \| } \| = ( \| a \| - t )$$ ... ...
Help will be appreciated ...

Peter

The short answer is that $\left\| a+t\dfrac{a}{\|a\|}\right\|=\|a\| +t\dfrac{\|a\|}{\|a\|}=\|a\| +t$ because $a$ and $\dfrac{a}{\|a\|}$ point in the same direction and $a$ is a unit vector. There is no need to think about vectors in the plane or some higher dimensional space to justify this. Think about two positive numbers--say $x$ and $y$--on the real line added together. As vectors both positive numbers point to the right, so $|x+y|=|x|+|y|.$ In other words, two vectors sitting on a line are two vectors sitting on line, regardless of whether that line is in 1, 2, 20, or $n$ dimensions.

If that explanation doesn't cut the mustard, so to speak, then it can be rigorously shown by calculating the norm via the dot product: $$\left\|a+t\dfrac{a}{\|a\|}\right\|=\left[\left(a+t\dfrac{a}{\|a\|}\right)\cdot \left(a+t\dfrac{a}{\|a\|}\right)\right]^{1/2}.$$
 
Alternatively, $\left\| a+t\dfrac{a}{\|a\|}\right\|= \left\|\left(1+\dfrac t{\|a\|}\right)a\right\| = \left|1+\dfrac t{\|a\|}\right|\|a\| = \left(1+\dfrac t{\|a\|}\right)\|a\| = \|a\|+ t$, provided that $t>-\|a\|$ (so that $1+\dfrac t{\|a\|} > 0$).
 
Opalg said:
Alternatively, $\left\| a+t\dfrac{a}{\|a\|}\right\|= \left\|\left(1+\dfrac t{\|a\|}\right)a\right\| = \left|1+\dfrac t{\|a\|}\right|\|a\| = \left(1+\dfrac t{\|a\|}\right)\|a\| = \|a\|+ t$, provided that $t>-\|a\|$ (so that $1+\dfrac t{\|a\|} > 0$).

GJA, Opalg ... thanks for the help ...

But ... just a clarification ...

Why is it critical/necessary that $1+\dfrac t{\|a\|} > 0$ in order for $$\left\| a+t\dfrac{a}{\|a\|}\right\| = \|a\|+ t$$ ... ... ?EDIT: OK .. sorry... it's obvious... no problem ...

Peter
 
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