Calculating Distance with Friction on an Icy Surface

In summary, the conversation discusses a physics problem involving a disc sliding on an icy surface with initial speed and stopping distance given. The question asks for the friction coefficient and an alternative method for calculating distance with friction. The conversation includes a solution and pointers for solving the problem efficiently. The summary also mentions the effect of mass on distance traveled and the possibility of unnecessary information provided by examiners.
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Homework Statement


Hi, would like to get a feedback on my answer to this question, did I do it right?
In part 2 of the question is there another way to calculate distance with friction?

the question is:
a disc is moving on icy surface has an initial speed of 12m/s 42m until it stops
1. what is the friction coefficient?
2. if you take a disc made of the same material as the first and moves at the same initial speed but has double the mass how far would that disc go?

ty!

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You are correct. However you substituted values too early which made things a bit harder than necessary. If you hadn't done that then for Q1 you would arrive at the equation...

μ = Vo2/2gx

then substitute values to give μ = 0.17

For Q2 you can simply rearrange the equation to give...

x = Vo2/2gμ

from which you can see that x is independent of the mass.
 
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PS: The more mass the disc has the more inertia it has so you might expect it to go further BUT the friction force is proportional to the normal force which depends on mass. So mass ends up cancelling.

PPS: It's not unknown for examiners to give you lots of unnecessary information and if you substitute values early you can end up wasting a lot of time (and accuracy) if it cancels out of the equation.
 
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tyvm!
CWatters said:
PS: The more mass the disc has the more inertia it has so you might expect it to go further
yes, I wondered about that but the other way around, thought it will travel less, it seemed to make sense intuitively - that heavier objects will travel less distance, obviously it doesn't - why? is that due to inertia as you mentioned?
CWatters said:
It's not unknown for examiners to give you lots of unnecessary information and if you substitute values early you can end up wasting a lot of time (and accuracy) if it cancels out of the equation.
ty!, noted!
 
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FAQ: Calculating Distance with Friction on an Icy Surface

1. What causes a disc to move on an icy surface?

The main cause of a disc moving on an icy surface is the lack of friction between the disc and the icy surface. Friction is the force that opposes the motion of an object, and on an icy surface, there is very little friction present which allows the disc to move easily.

2. Can the speed of the disc on an icy surface be controlled?

Yes, the speed of the disc on an icy surface can be controlled by adjusting the force or angle at which the disc is thrown. A stronger force or a more direct angle will result in a faster speed, while a weaker force or a more indirect angle will slow down the disc's movement.

3. How do different types of ice affect the movement of the disc?

The type of ice can greatly affect the movement of the disc. For example, smooth and hard ice will allow the disc to glide more easily, while rough and bumpy ice will cause the disc to bounce and change direction more frequently. The temperature of the ice can also play a role in the disc's movement.

4. What techniques can be used to improve disc movement on an icy surface?

Some techniques that can be used to improve disc movement on an icy surface include using smoother and more aerodynamic discs, throwing with a more direct and controlled force, and adjusting the angle of the throw to compensate for the lack of friction on the ice.

5. Is it safe to play disc sports on an icy surface?

It is not recommended to play disc sports on an icy surface as it can be dangerous. The lack of friction and unpredictable movement of the disc can increase the risk of injury. It is best to wait for the ice to melt or find an alternative location to play the sport.

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