Discover the Difference Between 10% and 30% of 20000

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of percentages, specifically comparing the results of taking 10% and then 20% of 20000 versus directly taking 30% of 20000. Participants explore the mathematical reasoning behind these calculations and the implications of sequential percentage reductions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Mike questions why taking 10% of 20000 (resulting in 18000) and then taking 20% of that (resulting in 14400) yields a different result than taking 30% of 20000 (resulting in 14000), noting a difference of 400.
  • One participant explains that taking away 10% and then 20% from the remainder is equivalent to taking away 28% of the original amount, emphasizing that this is not the same as taking away 30% of the original amount.
  • Another participant points out the mathematical discrepancy, stating that 0.90 multiplied by 0.80 does not equal 0.70, reinforcing the difference in the percentage calculations.
  • Several participants discuss the notation for expressing percentages, with some suggesting the use of LaTeX for clarity in mathematical expressions.
  • A participant provides an analogy involving discounts at a store to illustrate how sequential percentage reductions work, emphasizing that the percentages are multiplied rather than added.

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Participants express differing views on the calculations and their implications, with no consensus reached on the interpretation of the percentage reductions.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the notation and formatting of their mathematical expressions, indicating a potential limitation in clarity when discussing the calculations.

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Hi,

If I am calculating the percentage of a number let's say 10% of 20000 which is 18000
Then I take 20% of 18000 which is 14400

Why is this not the same as taking 30% of 20000? When I take 30% of 20000 I get 14000. Why is there is a difference of 400?

Thanks,
Mike
 
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In order to take away 10% of 20000, we multiply: 0.90*20000=18000.

to take 20% away from 18000, we have: 0.80*18000=0.80*(0.90*20000)=0.72*20000=14400.

Thus, to take away 10% of 20000, and then take away 20% FROM THE REMAINDER, is the same as taking 28% of the ORIGINAL AMOUNT (i.e, 20000)!

This is NOT the same as taking away 30% of the original amount!
 
[tex]0.90 \cdot 0.80 \cdot 20,000 \ne 0.70 \cdot 20 000[/tex]

Because
[tex]0.90 \cdot 0.80 = 0.72 \ne 0.70[/tex]
 
If I am calculating the percentage of a number let's say 10% of 20000 which is 18000
Then I take 20% of 18000 which is 14400

10% of 20000 means one tenth of 20000. Partly using number characters to express that, you ask for [tex]\frac{1}{10}[/tex] of 20000.
That in effect is expressed as [tex]\frac{1}{10}[/tex][tex]\times[/tex]20000

EDIT: I am looking for a way to edit that after it's already published; I know it looks bad. There is no tools button field and I do not have the typeset tags memorized. I want a space between the fraction and the multiplication symbol and I want a space between the multiplication symbol and the 20000.
 
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symbolipoint said:
10% of 20000 means one tenth of 20000. Partly using number characters to express that, you ask for [tex]\frac{1}{10}[/tex] of 20000.
That in effect is expressed as [tex]\frac{1}{10}[/tex][tex]\times[/tex]20000

EDIT: I am looking for a way to edit that after it's already published; I know it looks bad. There is no tools button field and I do not have the typeset tags memorized. I want a space between the fraction and the multiplication symbol and I want a space between the multiplication symbol and the 20000.

You could use \cdot like I did :)
BTW, why don't you just make one Latex code ?
 
You could use \cdot like I did :)
BTW, why don't you just make one Latex code ?

My description broke the work into two separate steps; the second one looks bad. The description during the bulk of my post was intended to be descriptive and helpful.

I see what you mean, to put the tex code all in one piece. If I still had my texAid program in use this would be very easy.
 
symbolipoint said:
EDIT: I am looking for a way to edit that after it's already published; I know it looks bad. There is no tools button field and I do not have the typeset tags memorized. I want a space between the fraction and the multiplication symbol and I want a space between the multiplication symbol and the 20000.


Here are the commands for extra space in LaTeX, in order from smallest space to largest.

Code:
\,
\:
\;
\quad
\qquad
 
Another way to think about it...

Suppose you go to a store and see an item on sale for 50% off. Then you go to the store the next day and see that it's been reduced 50% more. Even so, the item isn't free!

The store isn't adding the fifty percents. It's multiplying them.
 

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