Discovering the Origins of Conservation Laws in Particle Simulations

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The discussion revolves around the origins of conservation laws in the context of particle simulations. Participants explore how fundamental principles like force and motion lead to the emergence of conservation of linear momentum, angular momentum, and energy without explicitly programming these properties into the simulation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a simulation where particles obey Newton's second law (F=ma) and questions the source of conservation laws that arise from this setup.
  • Another participant suggests looking into Noether's theorem as a potential explanation for the relationship between symmetries and conservation laws.
  • A participant expresses the need for a simpler explanation of the theorem and its concepts, indicating a desire for clarity on differentiable symmetries and Lagrangians.
  • One response explains that each conservation law corresponds to a symmetry: energy conservation relates to time translation symmetry, momentum conservation to spatial translation symmetry, and angular momentum conservation to rotational symmetry. It is noted that numerical implementations may affect the conservation of these quantities.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the simplest explanation of conservation laws, with some advocating for Noether's theorem while others seek more accessible interpretations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best way to articulate the relationship between symmetries and conservation laws.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in understanding due to the complexity of concepts like differentiable symmetries and Lagrangians, which some participants find challenging. Additionally, the impact of numerical implementation on conservation properties is acknowledged but not fully explored.

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Let's assume I simulate a number of particles using a computer program. I teach the particles to move according to F=ma. The F acting on each particle will be the sum of all forces to other particles according to F=m1*m2/distance^2.

I give the particles a set of initial positions and velocities and I automatically get conservation of linear momentum, conservation of angular momentum, and conservation of energy, just like that. I haven't actually programmed those properties into code.

Where does the conservation come from?

Basically I've only used F=m*a, v=a*t, p=v*t, action=reaction, the pythagorean theorem and some sums. Does it come from F=m*a, from action=reaction, is it a property of isometric space, or all of them?
 
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To understand the theorem, I'd need to understand what a differentiable symmetry is, what Lagrangian is, and so forth. If I knew all that, I wouldn't be asking.

Can it be pinpointed down to something more simple? Can you give a simplified answer?
 
The simple answer is that each conservation law is related to a symmetry. Conservation of energy comes from the symmetry of translation in time, conservation of momentum translation symmetry in space, and angular momentum rotation symmetry. If your equations (and importantly their numerical implementation) have these symmetries, then the quantities will be conserved.

Note that depending on the implementation (for instance, because of time discretization), some quantities might be conserved only on average.
 
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