Do Cyclists Using Different Gears Exert the Same Work and Power on a Hill?

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The discussion revolves around two cyclists ascending the same hill while using different gear ratios, specifically one cyclist using a gear that is twice as difficult as the other. The main focus is on understanding the differences in work and power output between the two cyclists under the condition that they reach the top simultaneously.

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  • Participants explore the implications of both cyclists reaching the top at the same time, questioning how this affects their power output and work done. There is discussion about the force exerted by each cyclist and how it relates to their gear choice and cycling technique.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the relationship between gear difficulty, force exerted, and the constraints of simultaneous ascent. Some guidance has been offered regarding the physics of work and power, but multiple interpretations of the cyclists' performance are still being explored.

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Participants note the constraint that both cyclists must reach the top of the hill at the same time, which influences their analysis of work and power output. There is also mention of potential differences in the cyclists' physical conditioning and how that may affect their performance.

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If 2 bicyclists are cycling to the top of the same hill, and one bicyclist is using a gear that is twice as difficult as the other, is there a difference in work and power output between the 2 cyclists?
 
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40nni said:

Homework Statement



If 2 bicyclists are cycling to the top of the same hill, and one bicyclist is using a gear that is twice as difficult as the other, is there a difference in work and power output between the 2 cyclists?


Welcome to PF.

What are your thoughts? Which of bicyclists would you bet on?
 
LowlyPion said:
Which of bicyclists would you bet on?

The fitter cyclist, every time!

I forgot an important constraint to my question - that both cyclists reach the top simultaneously.

Given that constraint, I'd guess both exert the same power (both output the same work over the same time).

Where I get hung up though, is that the cyclist who is mashing the pedals would be exerting more force over the same distance compared to the cyclist who is spinning faster. I suppose the force by the spinner is greater than I perceive given the greater number of repetitions.

Anecdotally, mashing on a high geared singlespeed is tougher, but I suppose it's all how you train you legs.
 
40nni said:
I forgot an important constraint to my question - that both cyclists reach the top simultaneously.

Given that constraint, I'd guess both exert the same power (both output the same work over the same time).

Where I get hung up though, is that the cyclist who is mashing the pedals would be exerting more force over the same distance compared to the cyclist who is spinning faster. I suppose the force by the spinner is greater than I perceive given the greater number of repetitions.

Anecdotally, mashing on a high geared singlespeed is tougher, but I suppose it's all how you train you legs.

You've answered your own question then, at least as far as your constraint. If everything else is equal, like their weight, the net work they both must do is given by m*g*h. If you constrain them to arrive at the same time, then you have constrained them to go at the same speed. The wheels of each must revolve at the same speed with your constraint.

The lower gear will make fewer revolutions of the pedal, but the cyclist must push more forcefully, then to achieve the same progress on the road.

If there is a difference then maybe it's in the bio-physics of the cyclists themselves? One cyclist will have twice the repetitions with his legs to go the same distance over and above the power he delivers to the bike moving forward.
 

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