Do electrons only feel the electric field?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the question of whether electrons only experience the electric field, particularly from the perspective of an electron in its rest frame. Participants explore the implications of the Lorentz force and the effects of magnetic fields on electrons.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that from the perspective of an electron at rest, it only "feels" the electric field and not the magnetic field due to the absence of the \mathbf{v} \times \mathbf{B} term in the Lorentz force.
  • Others argue that the relative velocity between the charge and the current source producing the magnetic field means that the electron does indeed feel the magnetic field.
  • It is noted that while the Lorentz force in the rest frame of the electron is due solely to the electric field, the electron possesses a magnetic moment that can be influenced by magnetic fields.
  • One participant mentions that electrons also have mass and therefore "feel" the gravitational field.
  • A later reply questions the necessity of using the electron's inertial frame, suggesting that the principle of relativity allows for the use of any inertial frame, and notes that free electrons in an electromagnetic field are typically accelerating.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether electrons only feel the electric field or if they are also affected by magnetic fields, leading to an unresolved discussion with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the electron's frame of reference and the implications of acceleration in electromagnetic fields, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

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Do electrons only "feel" the electric field?

Imagine that you're an electron.

You are always at rest in your inertial frame so that you do not "feel" the [itex]\mathbf{v} \times \mathbf{B}[/itex] term of the Lorentz force.

Thus, from your perspective, you only ever "feel" an electric field.

Magnetic fields only affect other electrons!
 
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Of course you feel it, v is a relative velocity between the charge and the current source producing the magnetic field.
 
johne1618 said:
Imagine that you're an electron.

You are always at rest in your inertial frame so that you do not "feel" the [itex]\mathbf{v} \times \mathbf{B}[/itex] term of the Lorentz force.

Thus, from your perspective, you only ever "feel" the electric field.

The magnetic field is only something that affects other electrons!
In the rest frame of the electron, the Lorentz force is only due to the electric field.
But, the electron has a magnetic moment that is affected by the magnetic field.
 
clem said:
In the rest frame of the electron, the Lorentz force is only due to the electric field.
But, the electron has a magnetic moment that is affected by the magnetic field.

Good point!
 
Electrons also have mass so they "feel" the gravitational field.
 
johne1618 said:
You are always at rest in your inertial frame
This is true, but there is no reason that you need to use your inertial frame. The principle of relativity guarantees that you can use any inertial frame you choose.

Also, a free electron in an EM field is usually accelerating and therefore does not have an inertial frame in which it is always at rest.
 

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