Do gas-gas and/or liquid-liquid phase transitions exist?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the existence of gas-gas and liquid-liquid phase transitions, particularly in the context of thermal storage using latent heat. Participants explore theoretical aspects and implications of phase transitions across different states of matter.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that gas-gas phase transitions do not exist, seeking confirmation or correction of this view.
  • Another participant mentions that heat transfer can occur without the expected amount of sensible heat, referencing Van der Waals forces as a factor, which may indicate a mild form of phase transition.
  • Concerns are raised about the definition of phase states in mixtures, such as antifreeze in engine coolants, which do not exhibit clear phase transitions at specific temperatures.
  • There is a hypothesis regarding liquid-liquid phase transitions in water, although details are limited.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the existence of gas-gas phase transitions, with some asserting they do not exist while others provide counterpoints. The discussion on liquid-liquid transitions remains less defined, with some support for their existence in specific contexts but no consensus reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the definitions of phase states can be ambiguous, especially in mixtures, and that the behavior of certain substances may not conform to traditional phase transition expectations.

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I'm writing a short report about thermal storage using latent heat and the topic is liquid/solid phase transitions. I would however like to systematize all phase transitions in the intro and I'm curious if gas/gas and/or liquid/liquid phase transitions exist.

For gas-gas I think that the obvious answer is no, such phase transitions do not exist, but please correct me if I'm wrong.

For liquid-liquid I get the impression that such transitions are hypothesized in water, but that's all regarding such transitions. Is this correct?

Many thanks for any answers.
 
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M_1 said:
For gas-gas I think that the obvious answer is no, such phase transitions do not exist, but please correct me if I'm wrong.
Heat transfer without the 'expected' amount of 'sensible heat' (look it up) is actually not that uncommon. It happens when Van Der Waall's forces come into play. That's a mild version of a phase transition but doesn't involve the dramatic energy change that melting and boiling does.
But there's a tricky path if you try to to nail all Science down to the rigid descriptions we start off with.
 
M_1 said:
I'm writing a short report about thermal storage using latent heat and the topic is liquid/solid phase transitions. I would however like to systematize all phase transitions in the intro and I'm curious if gas/gas and/or liquid/liquid phase transitions exist.
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Please, see:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_(matter)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_transition

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_point

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latent_heat

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_energy_storage

:cool:
 
Something that should be mentioned is the energy involved as some mixtures do not change state in an obvious way or at a particular temperature. Antifreeze in engine coolants spreads the temperature range of melting / solidifying over a wide range (down to -36C or more). The 'phase' state is not really definable in that range because the coolant goes more like porridge than a liquid or solid.
 

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