Do materials have a refractive index for radio waves?

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The discussion revolves around the refractive index of materials specifically for radio waves, exploring how it varies with frequency across the electromagnetic spectrum. Participants inquire about the refractive indices of various materials at radio frequencies and the relationship between refractive index and permittivity.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants state that the index of refraction varies with frequency throughout the EM spectrum and seek specific values for various materials at radio frequencies.
  • One participant explains that the index of refraction is the square root of the relative permittivity, providing examples for polystyrene and water at 1 MHz.
  • Another participant questions whether radio refractive indices are directly computed from electrical permittivity, noting that optical refractive indices do not seem to follow the same straightforward relationship.
  • A later reply suggests that while there is a relationship, the permittivity value used should be for optical frequencies rather than DC or low frequencies.
  • One participant requests clarification on the target application and specific frequency range of interest to better address the question.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between refractive index and permittivity, with some asserting a straightforward connection while others highlight complexities, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions about frequency dependence and the specific materials being discussed, as well as the potential need for clarity on the frequency ranges of interest.

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It's been stated that the index of refraction of materials varies with frequency throughout the EM spectrum. What are the index of refraction for various materials in the radio frequency?
 
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The index of refraction (relative to vacuum) is the square root of the relative permittivity. For example, polystyrene, relative permittivity = 2.6 so refractive index relative to vacuum = sqrt 2.6 = 1.6 measured at 1 MHz.
Water, relative permittivity = 78 so index of refraction = sqrt 78 = 8.8 at 1 MHz.
 
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bbbl67 said:
It's been stated that the index of refraction of materials varies with frequency throughout the EM spectrum. What are the index of refraction for various materials in the radio frequency?
Also, can you please say what your target application is? What range of "radio" frequencies are you interested in? What kind of materials are you interested in? The better that you can ask your question, the better we can try to help you figure out the answers. Thanks.
 
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tech99 said:
The index of refraction (relative to vacuum) is the square root of the relative permittivity. For example, polystyrene, relative permittivity = 2.6 so refractive index relative to vacuum = sqrt 2.6 = 1.6 measured at 1 MHz.
Water, relative permittivity = 78 so index of refraction = sqrt 78 = 8.8 at 1 MHz.
Are radio refractive indexes just directly computed from their electrical permittivity? Optical refractive indexes don't seem to have such a straightforward relationship.
 
They do have but you need to use the permittivity value for the optical frequency and not the DC (or low frequency) one.
 
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