Do Refrigerants have more heat capacity than water?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the heat capacity of refrigerants compared to water, particularly in the context of their use in heating and cooling applications. Participants explore the definitions and implications of latent heat of vaporization versus specific heat capacity, as well as the impact of temperature ranges on heat transport efficiency.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant references a report claiming that refrigerants have a larger heat capacity than water, prompting questions about the validity of this statement.
  • Several participants clarify that latent heat of vaporization is distinct from heat capacity, indicating a need for precise terminology.
  • Questions arise regarding the "usable heat capacity" of R22 in practical applications, with some assuming it refers to latent heat.
  • Another participant challenges the assumptions made about heat transport, suggesting that comparisons should be made using specific heat capacity at constant pressure.
  • Participants discuss the importance of temperature ranges in heat transport, noting that water has a limited range compared to refrigerants, which can affect overall heat capacity calculations.
  • One participant concludes that when comparing the heat of vaporization of R22 to the specific heat capacity of water over a defined temperature change, refrigerants may demonstrate a higher effective heat capacity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the comparison of heat capacities. There are competing views on the definitions and implications of heat capacity versus latent heat, as well as the relevance of temperature ranges in practical applications.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the need for clarity in terminology and assumptions, particularly regarding the definitions of heat capacity and latent heat, as well as the conditions under which these properties are evaluated.

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I was reading this report prepared by PNNL which says (page 16):

"Using refrigerant to deliver heating and cooling requires less energy because of the larger heat capacity of the refrigerant relative to air and even water. Less mass flow is needed to deliver the same amount of heating or cooling."

http://www.gsa.gov/portal/mediaId/169771/fileName/GPG_VRF_Report_-_FINAL_DRAFT_4-16-13

Is this really true? I see for Chlorodifluoromethane (R22) a latent heat of vaporization of 233 kJ/kg.

How is that more heat capacity than water?
 
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Latent heat of vaporization is not the same as heat capacity.
 
Simon Bridge said:
Latent heat of vaporization is not the same as heat capacity.

What is the usable heat capacity of R22 in a typical refrigerant application? I assumed that was the latent heat.
 
Is "useable heat capacity" a term of the art somewhere? Please provide a reference.
Check your assumptions against what the author is talking about - i.e. ability to transport heat compared with air and water.
Remember to compare like with like - what is the latent heat of vaporization for air? Does it make more sense, in that case, to compare the specific heat capacity (at constant pressure say)?
 
Something important that you forget is the temperature range you can use when transporting heat from the room unit, which will be at room temperature and the chiller on the roof where the temperature must be above freezing if you use water. The temperature range will be less than 20 degrees K if you use water. Other refrigerants can have a much larger temperature range that can include the boiling point, so you have to include the heat of vaporization as well.
 
willem2 said:
Something important that you forget is the temperature range you can use when transporting heat from the room unit, which will be at room temperature and the chiller on the roof where the temperature must be above freezing if you use water. The temperature range will be less than 20 degrees K if you use water. Other refrigerants can have a much larger temperature range that can include the boiling point, so you have to include the heat of vaporization as well.

Understood, thanks!

So essentially we are comparing H_vap_R22 versus Cp_H2O * delta_T_H2O

With a delta_T_H2O of 20 C the refrigerent gives a higher heat capacity i.e. lower mass flows.
 

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