Do Two Random Subsets of X Have the Same Number of Elements?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the probability that two randomly chosen subsets A and B of a set X, containing n elements, have the same number of elements. The total number of subsets is established as 2^n, with specific probabilities for subsets containing r elements calculated using the binomial coefficient nCr. The probability that both subsets A and B have r elements is derived as nCr * nCr / 2^(2n). Participants suggest summing these probabilities across all possible values of r from 0 to n, hinting at a connection to binomial series. The conversation emphasizes the need to manipulate binomial coefficients to solve the problem effectively.
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Homework Statement


Let X be a set containing n elements. If two subsets A and B of X are picked at random, the probability that A and B have the same number of elements is

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Total number of subsets possible is 2^n. Now the subsets containing 1 element=n. For 2 elements it is n(n-1). Similarly for n elements it is n!. Now A and B can belong to anyone of the above.

P=\dfrac{^nC_2+^{n(n-1)}C_2+^{n(n-1)(n-2)}C_2...+^{n!}C_2}{^{2^n}C_2}
 
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What's the probability that A has n elements? That both have n elements?
 
haruspex said:
What's the probability that A has n elements? That both have n elements?

The probability that A has n elements is 1/n. But I'm not sure.:confused:
 
utkarshakash said:
The probability that A has n elements is 1/n. But I'm not sure.:confused:
Sorry, I just realized I may have confused you by reusing n. I should have asked for the probability that A has, say, r elements. It isn't 1/r.
You have stated the total number of subsets, and they're all equally likely. How many have r elements?
 
haruspex said:
Sorry, I just realized I may have confused you by reusing n. I should have asked for the probability that A has, say, r elements. It isn't 1/r.
You have stated the total number of subsets, and they're all equally likely. How many have r elements?

nCr.
 
utkarshakash said:
nCr.
Right, so what is the probability that an arbitrary subset A has r elements? What is the probability that A and B each have r elements? Thus, what is the probability that A and B have the same number of elements?
 
haruspex said:
Right, so what is the probability that an arbitrary subset A has r elements? What is the probability that A and B each have r elements? Thus, what is the probability that A and B have the same number of elements?

The probability that A has r elements is nCr/2^n and the probability that A and B both have r elements is nCr*nCr/2^2n. Now I'll have to sum this as r varies from 0 to n. But I find this a bit difficult. I only know that 2^n=C0+C1+C2...Cn. But how do I get squares on the coefficients?
 
utkarshakash said:
The probability that A has r elements is nCr/2^n and the probability that A and B both have r elements is nCr*nCr/2^2n. Now I'll have to sum this as r varies from 0 to n. But I find this a bit difficult. I only know that 2^n=C0+C1+C2...Cn. But how do I get squares on the coefficients?
Here's a couple of hints.

Try doing that sum for a few small values of n. Do the numbers that result look familiar?

A sum like that can arise from multiplying together two series. E.g. suppose you multiply the expansions of (1+x)a and (1+x)b and collect up terms with the same power of x. Can you see how that would lead to sums of products of binomial coefficients? Can you find an a and b that would lead to a sum like the one we need to solve?
 
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