Does a capacitor delay the voltage from a voltage source in a circuit?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of a capacitor in a circuit with a voltage source, specifically whether the capacitor introduces a delay in the voltage supplied by the source. Participants explore the implications of the capacitor's characteristics on the voltage and current relationships in the circuit, considering both DC and sinusoidal sources.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the voltage across a capacitor lags the current through it by 90 degrees, questioning if this results in a 'lagging' voltage from the voltage source.
  • Others argue that the capacitor is forced to experience whatever voltage the source supplies, suggesting that the current through the capacitor leads the voltage by 90 degrees.
  • One participant notes that if the voltage source is DC, the current through the capacitor could be infinitely large for an infinitely short time, referencing the mathematical representation of the current in this scenario.
  • There is a clarification regarding the terminology used, with one participant acknowledging a mix-up between 'inductor current' and 'capacitor current'.
  • Some participants agree that the current through the resistor is in phase with the voltage supply, while the current through the capacitor leads the capacitor voltage by 90 degrees.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the relationships between voltage and current in resistors and capacitors, but there is some confusion regarding terminology and the specific implications of the capacitor's behavior in different scenarios. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the overall impact of the capacitor on the voltage supplied by the source.

Contextual Notes

Participants assume sinusoidal voltage sources in some parts of the discussion, while also considering the implications of DC sources. There are unresolved mathematical steps and dependencies on definitions related to the behavior of the capacitor.

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If we have a circuit (see attached)
will our voltage source's supplied voltage be delayed by the capacitor in anyway?
(as the voltage across a capacitor lags the current through a capacitor by 90 degrees)
then, as the resistor,voltage source, and capacitor are all in parallel does this
cause the voltage source to end up supplying a 'lagging' voltage (due to the capacitor's characteristics)?

OR is the capacitor forced to experience whatever the voltage source is supplying?
(therefore causing the inductor current to lead the capacitor by 90 deg)
 

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JustStudying said:
OR is the capacitor forced to experience whatever the voltage source is supplying?
(therefore causing the inductor current to lead the capacitor by 90 deg)
That's it. We assume that the voltage source is able to do what it is supposed to, regardless of what is going on in the circuit. And you are right, the current will lead the voltage by 90 degrees.
 
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JustStudying said:
OR is the capacitor forced to experience whatever the voltage source is supplying?
(therefore causing the inductor current to lead the capacitor by 90 deg)
Inductor? Resistor? What is it?

Resistor current lags the capacitor current by 90°.
 
JustStudying said:
OR is the capacitor forced to experience whatever the voltage source is supplying?

Right.
(therefore causing the inductor current to lead the capacitor by 90 deg)

What inductor current? What inductor?

EDIT:

If the voltage source is dc: for the capacitor, i = C dV(t)/dt. Since dV(t)/dt is infinitely large (going from 0 to V in zero time), the current is infinite for an infinitely short time.

Mathematically, V(t) = V U(t), the unit step function, and i(t) = CV δ(t) where δ(t) is the Dirac delta function with dimension T-1.

If the source is a sinusoid, which it just dawned on me it probably is, then yes, the current will lead the voltage by 90 deg. and its magnitude is wCV, w = 2 pi f.
 
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@NascentOxygen agreed. and when he says "inductor current", I was assuming he just meant current through the voltage source. Although "inductor current" is a term I have not heard before in this context...
 
@rude man - From the OP, I would guess that he/she is supposed to assume sinusoidal voltage
 
BruceW said:
@rude man - From the OP, I would guess that he/she is supposed to assume sinusoidal voltage

Yesd, that just dawned on me. Thanks.
 
sorry! i meant the capacitor current when i said 'inductor current' - got mixed up reading my notes over and over, thanks guys!
 
BruceW said:
That's it. We assume that the voltage source is able to do what it is supposed to, regardless of what is going on in the circuit. And you are right, the current will lead the voltage by 90 degrees.

So in this case, the current through the resistor should be in phase with the voltage supply, while the current through the capacitor leads the capacitor voltage by 90 deg am I correct?
 
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JustStudying said:
So in this case, the current through the resistor should be in phase with the voltage supply, while the current through the capacitor leads the capacitor voltage by 90 deg am I correct?
You now realize you are really stating nothing new. "The current through the resistor is always in phase with the voltage across that resistor", while "the current through the capacitor always leads the capacitor voltage by 90 deg". :smile:
 
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JustStudying said:
So in this case, the current through the resistor should be in phase with the voltage supply, while the current through the capacitor leads the capacitor voltage by 90 deg am I correct?

yep. you got it.
 

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