Does a machine like this violate laws of thermodynamics?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the theoretical possibility of a machine that produces both negative and positive mass from vacuum, and whether such a machine could function as a perpetual motion device. The scope includes theoretical implications related to the laws of thermodynamics and concepts of mass and energy.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a hypothetical machine that creates negative and positive mass, suggesting it could theoretically operate with 100% efficiency to achieve perpetual motion.
  • Several participants assert that negative mass does not exist, questioning the validity of the initial premise.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of negative mass on the concept of negative energy, with differing views on whether negative energy can exist.
  • A later reply emphasizes that the forum does not engage with discussions on perpetual motion machines, leading to a closure of the thread.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the existence of negative mass and its implications, with no consensus reached on the theoretical machine's feasibility or the concept of negative energy.

Contextual Notes

The discussion is limited by the assumption of 100% efficiency and the undefined nature of negative mass and energy, which remain unresolved within the context of the conversation.

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Assuming a machine such that it produces blocks of negative and positive mass from vacum, and it uses the produced positive mass to power all these procedure such that it forms a perpetrual motion machine.

would it be theoredcally posible to do this with the positive mass produced in the procedure? assuming 100% efficiency and such.
 
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There is no such thing as negative mass.
 
D H said:
There is no such thing as negative mass.

...does that mean there is no such thing as negative energy?
 
Gear300 said:
...does that mean there is no such thing as negative energy?

No, it doesn't.
 
Asked and answered - we don't deal with perpetual motion machines here. Locked.
 

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