Does a Wire in an AC Circuit Have a Surface Charge Distribution?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the presence of a surface charge distribution in a wire within an AC circuit, specifically when connected to a capacitor and a battery. Participants explore the implications of charge distribution in the wire under various conditions, including ideal and non-ideal components.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant posits that the wire should have a surface charge distribution, which generates an electric field in a specific direction.
  • Another participant agrees that a surface charge distribution exists but emphasizes the need to consider the wire as a thick conductor, similar to a normal wire.
  • A different participant asserts that under ideal conditions with zero leakage current, the wire does not retain a net charge after disconnection from the battery and capacitor, suggesting that charge distribution changes require current flow.
  • Some participants reference the need to apply Maxwell's Equations for a more accurate analysis, particularly when considering the geometry and orientation of the wire in relation to the capacitor.
  • One participant expresses disagreement with another's viewpoint, indicating that while they respect the other’s intelligence, they hold a different perspective on the charge distribution in the wire.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether a surface charge distribution exists in the wire, particularly under ideal versus non-ideal conditions. There is no consensus on the implications of charge distribution or the necessity of current flow for changes in charge distribution.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention ideal components and the impact of parasitic capacitance, indicating that assumptions about the circuit's components and conditions may affect the discussion. The problem's complexity is acknowledged, particularly regarding the application of Maxwell's Equations.

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I have a simple AC circuit. For example a battery with a capacitor.
In the steady-state the capacitor has the same V of the battery.
The wire that connect the two components is a very small cylindrical conductor, so it should have a surface charge distribution. It's that correct ? If no, why ?
 
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I am quite sure that there will be a surface charge distribution generating an electric field in the appropriate direction.

Honestly, I think you can easily simplify the problem by just understanding that this circular conductor is basically a really thick piece of wire. The properties should be similar to a normal wire, just that it is now so thick that it takes the shape of a cylinder.

Hope that helped.
 
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themagiciant95 said:
it should have a surface charge distribution. It's that correct ?
Yes it is correct
 
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themagiciant95 said:
The wire that connect the two components is a very small cylindrical conductor, so it should have a surface charge distribution.

I hate to disagree with @Dale because he is so much smarter than I am, but in this case I do disagree.

We are assuming ideal components with zero leakage current.

Consider suddenly disconnecting that wire segment from the battery and the capacitor. Only one of the following can be true.
  1. The wire is left with a net charge.
  2. Following disconnection, there are brief internal currents in the wire as the charge distribution rearranges itself.
  3. No change, no net charge, no currents in the wire.
I believe that #3 is the correct one.

Remember we speak of the wire, not the plates of the capacitor. Capacitor plates do have net charge and surface distributions.

The OP's question could have left the capacitor out. If we take a length of wire and connect it to one terminal of a battery, is there anything that happens with net charge or charge distribution in the wire? With ideal components, I say no because changes in charge distribution require currents. With non-ideal components, the wire can have parasitic capacitance to ground and thus need current flow to change its voltage with respect to ground.

If you want to consider the portion of the wire closest to the capacitor, then actual sizes, orientation and lengths become important and you must solve the problem using Maxwell's Equations. But the OP posed the question without reference to size, & length.
 

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