Does an object emitting electromagnetic radiation really lose mass?

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The discussion centers on the relationship between electromagnetic radiation emission and mass loss, specifically questioning whether an object emitting such radiation loses inertial mass and how this relates to gravitational mass. The scope includes theoretical implications and observational considerations regarding the sun's mass over time.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant references Einstein's assertion that emitting electromagnetic radiation results in a loss of inertial mass, questioning the implications for the sun's gravitational force and mass.
  • Another participant claims that the sun does lose mass at a rate of a couple of million tons per second, but argues that this loss is negligible compared to its total mass.
  • A participant seeks clarification on whether the mass loss figure accounts for plasma jets emitted by the sun, specifically asking about mass loss due to electromagnetic radiation alone.
  • A later reply asserts that the previously mentioned mass loss figure pertains solely to radiation loss.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance of the sun's mass loss due to radiation, with some acknowledging the loss while others question its impact relative to the sun's total mass. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of inertial mass loss and its equivalence to gravitational mass.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not fully address the assumptions regarding the definitions of inertial and gravitational mass, nor do they resolve the mathematical implications of the mass loss figures presented.

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Einstein stated in a paper concerning the discovery of the quantization of electromagnetic force that an object emitting electromagnetic radiation will lose its inertial mass. If this is the case, then why does the gravitational force of the sun not weaken and the sun not become less massive as a result of emitting electromagnetic radiation for billions of years? Is inertial mass equivalent to active gravitational mass or are they merely proportional?

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http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Development_of_Our_Views_on_the_Composition_and_Essence_of_Radiation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass
 
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The sun does lose mass, a couple of million tons per second actually...it's just that the sun is so massive that this mass loss is negligible.

For comparison, the sun loses about 4*10^9 kg of mass per second. The Sun's mass is something like 2*10^30kg. So, over a year, the sun loses only 6.3*10^-12% of it's mass. That's only .063% of its mass lost due to fusion over 10 billion years!

The sun may well gain more mass than this over its lifetime. Of course, the sun is also losing mass due to jets of material that it sends out in the form of solar wind and CME's.
 
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And does this figure for mass loss factor out the emission of plasma jets from the sun, and if not, how much mass does the sun lose due to electromagnetic radiation alone?
 
the figure I gave is merely due to radiation loss.
 

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