Does Convergence of a Sequence Imply Convergence of Its Absolute Values?

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The discussion revolves around the proof of the statement that if a sequence \(a_n\) converges to \(L\), then the absolute values \(|a_n|\) converge to \(|L|\). Participants explore various approaches to proving this statement, referencing Theorem 5.3B and considering different cases based on the value of \(L\).

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  • One participant presents a proof attempt using Theorem 5.3B, establishing bounds on \(a_n\) based on the convergence of \(a_n\) to \(L\).
  • Another participant critiques the proof, arguing that it essentially restates the definition of convergence without providing a new argument for the absolute values.
  • A different participant suggests that the inequality \(||x|-|y||\le|x-y|\) could be useful in the proof, indicating a potential avenue for further exploration.
  • Several participants discuss the cases based on the sign of \(L\): if \(L>0\), \(L<0\), and \(L=0\), with one participant asserting that the case for \(L=0\) is straightforward but left for others to tackle.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about how to handle the case when \(L=0\), indicating that it may not be as clear-cut as the other cases.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the proof's validity, with some agreeing on the need for a more rigorous argument while others believe the case distinctions provide sufficient reasoning. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to proving the statement.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of making clear distinctions in cases based on the value of \(L\) and the implications of convergence definitions. There is a noted reliance on Theorem 5.3B and the need for additional justification in certain cases.

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This discussion may be useful for students and educators in mathematics, particularly those interested in real analysis and the properties of convergent sequences.

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Prove that $a_n\to L\implies|a_n|\to|L|$. (Make cases and use Theorem 5.3B)

Theorem 5.3B: Assuming $\{a_n\}$ converges,

$\lim\ a_n<M\implies a_n<M$ for $n\gg 1$

$\lim\ a_n>M\implies a_n>M$ for $n\gg 1$

My attempt:

Given $\epsilon>0$,

$L-\epsilon<\lim\ a_n<L+\epsilon$ for all $n$

$L-\epsilon<a_n<L+\epsilon$ for $n\gg 1$ (Using Theorem 5.3B)

$-\epsilon<a_n-L<\epsilon$ for $n\gg 1$

$|a_n-L|<\epsilon$ for $n\gg 1$

Case 1: $|a_n|\ge|L|$ for $n\gg 1$

$|a_n|-|L|\le|a_n-L|<\epsilon$ for $n\gg 1$

So, $|a_n|\to|L|$

Case 2: $|a_n|<|L|$ for $n\gg 1$

$|L|-|a_n|\le|a_n-L|<\epsilon$ for $n\gg 1$

So, $|a_n|\to|L|$

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Could someone please check the above proof for me?
 
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Alexmahone said:
Prove that $a_n\to L\implies|a_n|\to|L|$. (Make cases and use Theorem 5.3B)
My attempt:

Given $\epsilon>0$,

$L-\epsilon<\lim\ a_n<L+\epsilon$ for all $n$

$L-\epsilon<a_n<L+\epsilon$ for $n\gg 1$ (Using Theorem 5.3B)

$-\epsilon<a_n-L<\epsilon$ for $n\gg 1$

$|a_n-L|<\epsilon$ for $n\gg 1$

This looks strange for a proof. Basicaly what you proved is that $|a_n - L | < \varepsilon$ for $n$ sufficiently large. But we know that already as that is the definition of convergence! You did not prove anything useful, that is the very definition.
 
ThePerfectHacker said:
This looks strange for a proof. Basicaly what you proved is that $|a_n - L | < \varepsilon$ for $n$ sufficiently large. But we know that already as that is the definition of convergence! You did not prove anything useful, that is the very definition.

I guess the only thing required is $||x|-|y||\le|x-y|$, which can be proved by squaring both sides.
 
Prove that $a_n\to L\implies|a_n|\to|L|$. (Make cases and use Theorem 5.3B)

Theorem 5.3B: Assuming $\{a_n\}$ converges,

$\lim\ a_n<M\implies a_n<M$ for $n\gg 1$

$\lim\ a_n>M\implies a_n>M$ for $n\gg 1$

Case 1: \(L>0\)

Then by the theorem the \(a_n\)s are eventually all positive and so from that point on \(|a_n|\to \lim_{n\to \infty} a_n=L=|L|\)

Case 2: \(L<0\)

Then by the theorem the \(a_n\)s are eventually all negative so \(|a_n| \to \lim_{n \to \infty} -a_n=-L=|L|\)

Case 3: \(L=0\) left to the reader

CB
 
CaptainBlack said:
Case 3: \(L=0\) left to the reader

I don't see how this case can be tackled like the first 2 cases.
 
Alexmahone said:
I don't see how this case can be tackled like the first 2 cases.

Case 3 is for \(a_n\) being a null sequence, which reduces straight off to \(|a_n|\to 0=|L|\)
 

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