Does Ignoring Work Done by Gravity Affect Calculations in Work-Energy Problems?

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The discussion centers on the confusion regarding the treatment of work done by gravity in work-energy problems. The instructor's course structure does not clarify the relationship between total work and changes in energy, particularly potential energy. The participant struggles to reconcile the equations, specifically whether to account for gravitational work when calculating potential energy changes. It is emphasized that one cannot use both gravitational work and potential energy change simultaneously in calculations. Ultimately, the resolution lies in understanding that potential energy represents the work done by conservative forces, allowing for either approach but not both.
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Basically my instructor is confusing the heck out of me because I highly dislike how this course is structured. I dislike how in this specific chapter we are not taught:

\SigmaW = \DeltaEnergy

However, using this equation and my previous knowledge I can't seem to get the right answer in the following problem unless I assume there is no \DeltaPE which isn't true since \Deltaheight = .150

When using the relationship you see below, do we assume that the Work done by gravity doesn't exist since we compensate for it under the change in potential energy?

Homework Statement


In Figure 7-32, a constant force of magnitude 82.0 N is applied to a 3.00 kg shoe box at angle f = 53.0°, causing the box to move up a frictionless ramp at constant speed. How much work is done on the box by when the box has moved through vertical distance h = 0.150 m??


2. Homework Equations

http://www.lowellphysics.org/beta/T...rk/Problems/c07x7_11.xform_files/nw0314-n.gif

\SigmaW = \DeltaEnergy
\SigmaW = \DeltaKE + \DeltaPE
Wg + Wapp = 0(constant speed) + \DeltaPE

Wg + Wapp = \DeltaPE


3. The Attempt at a Solution

Using the above formula:
Wg + Wapp = \DeltaPE

Wg + Wapp = (3)(g)(\Deltaheight)
Wg + Wapp = (3)(g)(-.15)
Wg + Wapp = -4.4145

Wg = F * d * cos\Phi
Wg = mg * (.15) * cos(0)
Wg = (3)(9.81) * (.15)
Wg = 4.4145

Wapp = F * d * cos\Phi
Wapp = 82cos53 * (.15) * cos0
Wapp = 7.4

This relationship doesn't make any sense...
4.41 + 7.4 \neq -4.4145

Basically, if I assume that there is no change in potential energy, however, the answer does end up coming out right... kinda of.
 
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Hi RoganSarine! :smile:

(have a phi: φ and a delta: ∆ and a sigma: ∑ :wink:)
RoganSarine said:
Wg + Wapp = 0(constant speed) + \DeltaPE

Nooo :redface:

potential energy is just another name for (minus) work done by a conservative force.

You can either use Wg or use ∆PE, but not both! :smile:
 
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