Does Light Mass Increase a Black Hole?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between light and black holes, specifically whether a black hole gains mass when light (photons) enters it. Participants explore concepts related to mass, energy, and the properties of black holes, including their formation and characteristics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that while photons are massless, they possess energy, which can be equated to mass via the equation E=mc², suggesting that a black hole gains mass when light enters it.
  • Others argue that black holes encompass more than just mass; they also contain energy in various forms, including electromagnetic field energy and angular momentum, indicating that energy itself contributes to gravitational effects.
  • A participant questions whether black holes have only mass and spin, leading to a clarification that they also have charge.
  • There is a mention of the mass range of known black holes, from a few solar masses to several billion solar masses, with some discussion about the existence of intermediate mass black holes.
  • One participant asserts that if a photon of frequency ν falls into a black hole, the mass gained by the black hole would be hν/c², indicating a specific calculation related to the mass increase.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of mass and energy in relation to black holes, with no consensus reached on the implications of light entering a black hole. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of mass gain and the broader characteristics of black holes.

Contextual Notes

Some statements rely on assumptions about the definitions of mass and energy, and there are unresolved questions about the implications of energy contributing to gravitational effects.

PerenialQuest
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I'm just curious, when light enters a black hole, does the black hole gain a little bit of mass? We think of photons as massless particles, but they do have energy, and energy has a mass equivalent, e=mc2 Would the mass gained perhaps be, = / c2 ?
 
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It's better to realize that black holes don't just have mass, they have energy in all forms (mass, e/m field energy, angular momentum). So in reality, you could have a bunch of mass that barely doesn't have enough mass to form a black hole, bombard it with a high powered light source, and it will collapse into a black hole because energy, not just mass, gravitates.
 
Pengwuino said:
It's better to realize that black holes don't just have mass, they have energy in all forms (mass, e/m field energy, angular momentum). So in reality, you could have a bunch of mass that barely doesn't have enough mass to form a black hole, bombard it with a high powered light source, and it will collapse into a black hole because energy, not just mass, gravitates.

Don't black hole have mass and spin only?
 
Aaronvan said:
Don't black hole have mass and spin only?

They also have charge.
 
Pengwuino said:
It's better to realize that black holes don't just have mass, they have energy in all forms (mass, e/m field energy, angular momentum). So in reality, you could have a bunch of mass that barely doesn't have enough mass to form a black hole, bombard it with a high powered light source, and it will collapse into a black hole because energy, not just mass, gravitates.
Generally black holes are of how much mass?
 
PerenialQuest said:
I'm just curious, when light enters a black hole, does the black hole gain a little bit of mass? We think of photons as massless particles, but they do have energy, and energy has a mass equivalent, e=mc2 Would the mass gained perhaps be, = / c2 ?

I don't think you got an answer to your question. The answer is yes, if a photon of frequency nu falls into a black hole, the black hole gains an amount of mass equal to h*nu/c^2.
 
kenrocks said:
Generally black holes are of how much mass?

Black holes that we know about (or think we know about) range in mass from a few solar masses to a few billion solar masses.
 
Pengwuino said:
They also have charge.

Ah yes, spin, mass and charge.
 
phyzguy said:
Black holes that we know about (or think we know about) range in mass from a few solar masses to a few billion solar masses.

With a large gap in between a few tens of solar masses (the most massive stellar balck holes) and a few tens of thousands of solar masses (the lowest observed masses for black holes in the center of galaxies). Although some people have evidence for the so-called intermediate mass black holes ( roughly 100-10.000 solar masses), the evidence is far from compelling.
 

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