Does oxygen in water have an sp3 orbital structure?

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The discussion centers on the orbital structure of oxygen in water (H2O), specifically questioning whether it can be accurately described using sp3 hybridization or if it is better represented by expanded p-orbital angles. The conversation involves theoretical considerations, interpretations of bond angles, and critiques of existing educational materials.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the bond angle in water is 104.5°, which is less than the tetrahedral angle of 109°28' expected from sp3 hybridization, raising questions about the nature of the orbital structure.
  • Another participant requests clarification on the term "greatly expanded p-orbital angle" and seeks the source of this characterization.
  • A reference is provided to Dr. Richard F.W. Bader's work, which discusses the bond angle in water and suggests that the angle's opening can be attributed to reduced repulsion between hydrogen nuclei.
  • Further elaboration indicates that the assumption of maximum electron density transfer leading to strong bonds may not fully account for observed molecular geometry, suggesting limitations in valence bond theory.
  • One participant argues that the energy difference between s and p orbitals in oxygen makes s-p hybridization energetically unfavorable in water, asserting that valence bond theory accurately describes H2O despite criticisms of teaching methods in introductory texts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the adequacy of valence bond theory and the interpretation of bond angles in water. There is no consensus on whether the orbital structure is best described by sp3 hybridization or expanded p-orbital angles.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the limitations of existing theories and educational approaches, noting that assumptions made in valence bond theory may not fully capture the complexities of molecular geometry in water.

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The angle of the water H2O molecule is 104.5°, the angle of ammonia H3N is 107°.

The angle between 2 p-orbitals is 90°, the angle between 2 sp3 hybrid orbitals is 109°28', the tetrahedral angle.

Why is it assumed that water is a "greatly" expanded p-orbital angle, rather then a "slightly" contracted sp3 orbital?
 
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Please explain to me what you mean by a 'greatly' expanded p-orbital angle for water and who told you or where did you see this?
 
chemisttree said:
...expanded p-orbital angle for water?

from "An Introduction to the Electronic Structure of Atoms and Molecules"
Dr. Richard F.W. Bader, Professor of Chemistry / McMaster University / Hamilton, Ontario

http://www.chemistry.mcmaster.ca/esam/Chapter_6/section_4.html

"The actual bond angle in the water molecule is 104.5°. The opening of the angle to a value greater than the predicted one of 90° can be accounted for in terms of a lessening of the repulsion between the hydrogen nuclei."
 
OK, let's look at his entire discussion relative to the point.
The actual bond angle in the water molecule is 104.5°. The opening of the angle to a value greater than the predicted one of 90° can be accounted for in terms of a lessening of the repulsion between the hydrogen nuclei. The assumption we have made is that the maximum amount of electron density will be transferred to the binding region and hence yield the strongest possible bond when the hydrogen and oxygen nuclei lie on the axis which is defined by the direction of the 2p orbital. For a given internuclear separation, this will result in the maximum overlap of the orbitals. Because an orbital with l ¹ 0 restricts the motion of the electron to certain preferred directions in space, bond angles and molecular geometry will be determined, to a first rough approximation, by the inter-orbital angles.
You note he uses the word 'assumption' and 'to a first rough approximation' in his discussion. This suggests to you that the valence bond theory doesn't adequately describe what is observed (although the professor never explicitly states that)
He then goes on to describe hybridization which better describes what is observed but with different examples. He is a poor teacher, that's all.
 
The point is that the energy difference between s and p orbitals in oxygen is fairly large, so that s-p hybridization is energetically unfavorable in water.
In fact, valence bond theory gives an exceedingly accurate description of H2O:
http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/0166-1280(88)80277-X
I don't think that Baader is a bad teacher. It is more the other way round: Most introductory chemistry text try to give a "one fits it all" description of chemical bonding in terms of hybrids which is often not physically correct.
 
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