Does the magnetic force affect lateral movement of a magnet on a metal plate?

  • Thread starter Thread starter gloo
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Magnet
AI Thread Summary
The discussion centers on the lateral movement of a magnet on a metal plate and the effects of magnetic force. It is noted that the magnetic force primarily pulls straight towards the plate, with minimal lateral force when the magnet is not touching the plate. However, if the magnet is positioned at the edge or is moving laterally, there can be a lateral force involved. The conversation also highlights that when moving laterally, the changing magnetic field can induce a counteractive magnetic field, which impedes motion. Overall, the magnetic pull does affect the effort required to move the steel plate laterally.
gloo
Messages
261
Reaction score
2
According to a magnet manufacturing site, the force required to move a magnet that is attracted to a metal plate laterally away from underneath a magnet is minimal relative to the force required to move it away from the magnet directly away in the opposite direction of pulling force. Assuming the magnets are close but not touching (thus no frictional force between the magnet surface and the metal plate surface), how true is it that the force to move the plate away from the magnet laterally by sliding it left or right (i.e. - the pull force of magnet is up or down) is not really affected by the magnetic force?

https://www.kjmagnetics.com/blog.asp?p=magnetic-forces

"With a magnet attracting towards a steel plate, there is no lateral force. That’s right, the magnetic force only pulls straight towards the plate, normal to the surface."
 
Engineering news on Phys.org
gloo said:
According to a magnet manufacturing site, the force required to move a magnet that is attracted to a metal plate laterally away from underneath a magnet is minimal relative to the force required to move it away from the magnet directly away in the opposite direction of pulling force. Assuming the magnets are close but not touching (thus no frictional force between the magnet surface and the metal plate surface), how true is it that the force to move the plate away from the magnet laterally by sliding it left or right (i.e. - the pull force of magnet is up or down) is not really affected by the magnetic force?
You've changed the parameters from the start of you paragraph to the end, from "minimal" to "not really affected". Why is that?

https://www.kjmagnetics.com/blog.asp?p=magnetic-forces

"With a magnet attracting towards a steel plate, there is no lateral force. That’s right, the magnetic force only pulls straight towards the plate, normal to the surface."
The title of your thread implies a magnet in lateral motion, I believe your bolded comment is for a stationary magnet, somewhat centered on a plate.
If the magnet were positioned at the edge of a plate, there would be a lateral force on a stationary magnet.
There will also be a lateral force if the magnet is moving laterally.
 
OmCheeto said:
You've changed the parameters from the start of you paragraph to the end, from "minimal" to "not really affected". Why is that?

All I am trying to say or ask is whether the magnetic pull force have any kind of interference on the effort to pull the steel plate laterally .

The title of your thread implies a magnet in lateral motion, I believe your bolded comment is for a stationary magnet, somewhat centered on a plate.
If the magnet were positioned at the edge of a plate, there would be a lateral force on a stationary magnet.
There will also be a lateral force if the magnet is moving laterally.

For instance...if the magnet is facing upward and pulling downward on the steelplate -- if I pull away the steel plate to the side (left or right) so that the force applied is perpendicular to the direction of the magnet's pull force, is the effort greater than without a magnetic force? I am assuming that the magnets are not touch and thus there is no frictional force between the surfaces of the magnet and the steel plate (just assume there is some magic material between them that prevents touching and is fricitonless)
 
gloo said:
For instance...if the magnet is facing upward and pulling downward on the steelplate -- if I pull away the steel plate to the side (left or right) so that the force applied is perpendicular to the direction of the magnet's pull force, is the effort greater than without a magnetic force?
Yes
 
OmCheeto said:
Yes
So the upward pulling force of the magnet adds impediments obviously what I am asking is for some kind of guide as to how - my guesses are:

1. I assumed away friction forces of the surfaces touching - maybe the friction on whatever contraption I use to prevent the surfaces touching?

2. Some parts of the magnetic field that does not involve a force that is vertical will interfere?
 
gloo said:
So the upward pulling force of the magnet adds impediments obviously what I am asking is for some kind of guide as to how - my guesses are:

1. I assumed away friction forces of the surfaces touching - maybe the friction on whatever contraption I use to prevent the surfaces touching?
Just go "textbook", and say there is no friction. Problem solved!
2. Some parts of the magnetic field that does not involve a force that is vertical will interfere?
If the magnet is moving laterally in relation to the steel plate, the changing magnetic field in the plate will induce an electrical current, which will generate a counteractive magnetic field, which will impede the lateral motion of the magnet.

This can be seen experimentally on the following video from between t=0:56 to t=1:23.

 
Hi all, I have a question. So from the derivation of the Isentropic process relationship PV^gamma = constant, there is a step dW = PdV, which can only be said for quasi-equilibrium (or reversible) processes. As such I believe PV^gamma = constant (and the family of equations) should not be applicable to just adiabatic processes? Ie, it should be applicable only for adiabatic + reversible = isentropic processes? However, I've seen couple of online notes/books, and...
Thread 'How can I find the cleanout for my building drain?'
I am a long distance truck driver, but I recently completed a plumbing program with Stratford Career Institute. In the chapter of my textbook Repairing DWV Systems, the author says that if there is a clog in the building drain, one can clear out the clog by using a snake augur or maybe some other type of tool into the cleanout for the building drain. The author said that the cleanout for the building drain is usually near the stack. I live in a duplex townhouse. Just out of curiosity, I...
I have an engine that uses a dry sump oiling system. The oil collection pan has three AN fittings to use for scavenging. Two of the fittings are approximately on the same level, the third is about 1/2 to 3/4 inch higher than the other two. The system ran for years with no problem using a three stage pump (one pressure and two scavenge stages). The two scavenge stages were connected at times to any two of the three AN fittings on the tank. Recently I tried an upgrade to a four stage pump...
Back
Top