Double Integral in Polar Coordinates

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The discussion revolves around evaluating a double integral in polar coordinates to find the area in the first quadrant between two circles defined by the equations x² + y² = 256 and x² - 16x + y² = 0.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to determine the intervals of integration for the polar coordinates and expresses confusion about the correct setup for the integrals representing the areas between the circles.
  • Some participants question the intervals of integration and the reasoning behind choosing certain limits, particularly regarding the radius from the center of the circle to its edge.
  • Others suggest reconsidering the approach to integrating the second circle and clarify the use of the half-angle formula for integrating cos²θ.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the integration limits and the setup of the integrals. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of the half-angle formula, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach yet.

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Participants are working within the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information available for resolving certain assumptions about the setup of the problem.

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Homework Statement


Using polar coordinates, evaluate the integral which gives the area which lies in the first quadrant between the circles x2 + y2 = 256 and x2 - 16x + y2 = 0.

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Finding the intervals of integration for the polar coordinates.
From the first equation I get r2 = 256 therefore r = 16
From the second equation I get r2 - 16rcos\theta therefore r = 16cos(\theta)
Since it is the first quadrant theta will be from 0 to pi/2.
Now this is the part where I am confused about. My intuition is that I should integrate the bigger circle and then subtract the integral of the smaller circle within it so I would have something like the following.
\int^{\pi/2}_{0}\int^{16}_{0} r drd\theta - \int^{\pi/2}_{0}\int^{16cos\theta}_{8} r drd\theta.
Is this the right approach?
 
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Sketch the region. The answer should be easy to check using the sketch.

The first integral looks fine. The second one doesn't.
 
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I sketched it out and for the second one I am basing my intervals of integration of r from the center of the circle to the edge of the circle.That seems to make the most sense to me, however, a similar example in my book (which has a circle shifted 2 to the right instead of 8 and has a radius of 1 instead of 8) uses the radius from 0 to 2cos\theta and that doesn't really make sense to me. If you could explain why the radius would be from 0 to 16cos\theta in this case (or if it isn't) then that would be really helpful as I don't have that intuitive understanding yet.
 
Look at ordered pairs (r,θ). If r starts at 8, you will never cover the portion of the half circle that's less than 8 units from the origin.
 
That seems to make sense since if I think of \theta as how much an imaginary line sweeps through and radius as how long that line actually is.
So now that I have the following:
\int^{\pi/2}_{0}\int^{16}_{0} r drd\theta - \int^{\pi/2}_{0}\int^{16cos\theta}_{0} r drd\theta
After the first integration I get.
\int^{\pi/2}_{0} r^2/2 d\theta - \int^{\pi/2}_{0} r^2/2 drd\theta
Plugging in I get
\int^{\pi/2}_{0} 128 d\theta - \int^{\pi/2}_{0} 128cos^2\theta drd\theta
And now I am stuck because I don't exactly remember how to integrate cos2\theta? How do you usually integrate something like cos2\theta again?
 
shards5 said:
How do you usually integrate something like cos2\theta again?

By the half-angle formula,

<br /> \cos^2 \theta = \frac{1 + \cos(2\theta)}{2}<br />

which should make the integration easier.
 
Okay, then after integration I get the following.
128*pi/2 - [1/2\theta + sin(2*\theta)/4]
Plugging in my values I get the following.
128*pi/2 - pi/4 - sin(pi)/4 + sin(0)/4
but this is wrong. I am not sure what I am doing wrong.
 
You forgot the factor of 128 on the second integral.
 

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