Double Integration without Anti-Derivatives

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The discussion focuses on evaluating the double integral I = ∫∫(a + bx + cy)dA over a defined triangular region D, determined by the inequalities y ≥ -2x, 2y ≥ x, and 2y ≤ 4 - x. Participants emphasize the importance of using geometric interpretations and centroids instead of anti-derivatives to simplify the integral. The correct approach involves calculating the area of the triangular region and using the centroids to find the values of I for specific parameters a = -0.8, b = 0.7, and c = -1.2. The final answer is derived from the formula I = aA + b * (centroid_x * A) + c * (centroid_y * A).

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  • #31
Well I, for one, would not be satisfied with what you have done, and you shouldn't be either, even though you found the correct answer. Once you have the exact coordinates for the three vertices of the right triangle, it is an easy matter to get the exact coordinates of the centroid since it is 1/3 of each leg in the direction of each leg. You don't need trig functions or to rotate anything. And it is also easy to calculate the area exactly and to write down an exact formula for your integral. And the answers just involve simple fractions. You would only get partial credit from me. :frown:
 
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LCKurtz said:
Well I, for one, would not be satisfied with what you have done, and you shouldn't be either, even though you found the correct answer. Once you have the exact coordinates for the three vertices of the right triangle, it is an easy matter to get the exact coordinates of the centroid since it is 1/3 of each leg in the direction of each leg. You don't need trig functions or to rotate anything. And it is also easy to calculate the area exactly and to write down an exact formula for your integral. And the answers just involve simple fractions. You would only get partial credit from me. :frown:
Yes, LC makes an excellent point here.

According to the Original Post, the instructions for doing this problem included the following.
"Use deep conceptual understanding the insight (and no antiderviative calculations!) to reduce the iterated integral below to a simple algebraic expression depending on the parameters a, b, and c:"

(emphasis added by me)​
 
  • #33
LCKurtz said:
Well I, for one, would not be satisfied with what you have done, and you shouldn't be either, even though you found the correct answer. Once you have the exact coordinates for the three vertices of the right triangle, it is an easy matter to get the exact coordinates of the centroid since it is 1/3 of each leg in the direction of each leg. You don't need trig functions or to rotate anything. And it is also easy to calculate the area exactly and to write down an exact formula for your integral. And the answers just involve simple fractions. You would only get partial credit from me. :frown:

I can calculate the area exactly without rotation; however, I could not think of a way to find the centroid of the triangle in the given orientation in the question. Hence, by making a simple rotation, it just made my life easier.
 
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LCKurtz said:
Once you have the exact coordinates for the three vertices of the right triangle, it is an easy matter to get the exact coordinates of the centroid since it is 1/3 of each leg in the direction of each leg.

CallMeShady said:
I can calculate the area exactly without rotation; however, I could not think of a way to find the centroid of the triangle in the given orientation in the question. Hence, by making a simple rotation, it just made my life easier.

Didn't I just tell you how to find it?
 

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