Double Integration without Anti-Derivatives

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The problem involves analyzing a plane region defined by simultaneous inequalities and reducing a double integral to a simpler algebraic expression without using anti-derivatives. The integral in question is I = ∫∫(a+bx+cy)dA, with specific values for parameters a, b, and c provided.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the geometric interpretation of the region defined by the inequalities and the nature of the integrand. Some suggest using a change of coordinates to simplify the problem, while others explore the concept of volume integrals and centroids.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of different approaches, including suggestions to reconsider the area calculation and the implications of the integrand's structure. Participants are engaging with the problem's geometric aspects and questioning assumptions about the calculations involved.

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Some participants note discrepancies in area calculations and the importance of using exact values. There is also mention of potential confusion regarding the interpretation of the integrand and the necessity of anti-derivatives in the context of the problem.

  • #31
Well I, for one, would not be satisfied with what you have done, and you shouldn't be either, even though you found the correct answer. Once you have the exact coordinates for the three vertices of the right triangle, it is an easy matter to get the exact coordinates of the centroid since it is 1/3 of each leg in the direction of each leg. You don't need trig functions or to rotate anything. And it is also easy to calculate the area exactly and to write down an exact formula for your integral. And the answers just involve simple fractions. You would only get partial credit from me. :frown:
 
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  • #32
LCKurtz said:
Well I, for one, would not be satisfied with what you have done, and you shouldn't be either, even though you found the correct answer. Once you have the exact coordinates for the three vertices of the right triangle, it is an easy matter to get the exact coordinates of the centroid since it is 1/3 of each leg in the direction of each leg. You don't need trig functions or to rotate anything. And it is also easy to calculate the area exactly and to write down an exact formula for your integral. And the answers just involve simple fractions. You would only get partial credit from me. :frown:
Yes, LC makes an excellent point here.

According to the Original Post, the instructions for doing this problem included the following.
"Use deep conceptual understanding the insight (and no antiderviative calculations!) to reduce the iterated integral below to a simple algebraic expression depending on the parameters a, b, and c:"

(emphasis added by me)​
 
  • #33
LCKurtz said:
Well I, for one, would not be satisfied with what you have done, and you shouldn't be either, even though you found the correct answer. Once you have the exact coordinates for the three vertices of the right triangle, it is an easy matter to get the exact coordinates of the centroid since it is 1/3 of each leg in the direction of each leg. You don't need trig functions or to rotate anything. And it is also easy to calculate the area exactly and to write down an exact formula for your integral. And the answers just involve simple fractions. You would only get partial credit from me. :frown:

I can calculate the area exactly without rotation; however, I could not think of a way to find the centroid of the triangle in the given orientation in the question. Hence, by making a simple rotation, it just made my life easier.
 
  • #34
LCKurtz said:
Once you have the exact coordinates for the three vertices of the right triangle, it is an easy matter to get the exact coordinates of the centroid since it is 1/3 of each leg in the direction of each leg.

CallMeShady said:
I can calculate the area exactly without rotation; however, I could not think of a way to find the centroid of the triangle in the given orientation in the question. Hence, by making a simple rotation, it just made my life easier.

Didn't I just tell you how to find it?
 

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