Double Integration without Anti-Derivatives

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The discussion revolves around calculating a double integral over a defined plane region D using inequalities without relying on anti-derivatives. Participants emphasize the importance of accurately sketching the region and calculating its area, which is identified as a right triangle. The integral is expressed in terms of its components, with suggestions to use geometric interpretations and centroids to simplify the calculations. A participant discovers a calculation error in their area determination and is encouraged to use exact values for better accuracy in their final answer. The conversation highlights the need for a conceptual understanding of the integral's geometric implications.
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Well I, for one, would not be satisfied with what you have done, and you shouldn't be either, even though you found the correct answer. Once you have the exact coordinates for the three vertices of the right triangle, it is an easy matter to get the exact coordinates of the centroid since it is 1/3 of each leg in the direction of each leg. You don't need trig functions or to rotate anything. And it is also easy to calculate the area exactly and to write down an exact formula for your integral. And the answers just involve simple fractions. You would only get partial credit from me. :frown:
 
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LCKurtz said:
Well I, for one, would not be satisfied with what you have done, and you shouldn't be either, even though you found the correct answer. Once you have the exact coordinates for the three vertices of the right triangle, it is an easy matter to get the exact coordinates of the centroid since it is 1/3 of each leg in the direction of each leg. You don't need trig functions or to rotate anything. And it is also easy to calculate the area exactly and to write down an exact formula for your integral. And the answers just involve simple fractions. You would only get partial credit from me. :frown:
Yes, LC makes an excellent point here.

According to the Original Post, the instructions for doing this problem included the following.
"Use deep conceptual understanding the insight (and no antiderviative calculations!) to reduce the iterated integral below to a simple algebraic expression depending on the parameters a, b, and c:"

(emphasis added by me)​
 
  • #33
LCKurtz said:
Well I, for one, would not be satisfied with what you have done, and you shouldn't be either, even though you found the correct answer. Once you have the exact coordinates for the three vertices of the right triangle, it is an easy matter to get the exact coordinates of the centroid since it is 1/3 of each leg in the direction of each leg. You don't need trig functions or to rotate anything. And it is also easy to calculate the area exactly and to write down an exact formula for your integral. And the answers just involve simple fractions. You would only get partial credit from me. :frown:

I can calculate the area exactly without rotation; however, I could not think of a way to find the centroid of the triangle in the given orientation in the question. Hence, by making a simple rotation, it just made my life easier.
 
  • #34
LCKurtz said:
Once you have the exact coordinates for the three vertices of the right triangle, it is an easy matter to get the exact coordinates of the centroid since it is 1/3 of each leg in the direction of each leg.

CallMeShady said:
I can calculate the area exactly without rotation; however, I could not think of a way to find the centroid of the triangle in the given orientation in the question. Hence, by making a simple rotation, it just made my life easier.

Didn't I just tell you how to find it?
 

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