Doubt about irrotational flows

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The discussion centers on the confusion surrounding irrotational flows and the concept of irrotational vortices. It is established that in irrotational flow, the circulation around any closed path is zero, indicating no vortices are present. However, the term "irrotational vortex" or "potential vortex" is mentioned in some literature, which creates confusion as it seems contradictory to the definition of irrotational flow. The conversation highlights the importance of topology in understanding these concepts, particularly referencing Poincaré's lemma. Ultimately, the distinction between theoretical models and practical applications in fluid dynamics is emphasized.
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So, i just started an elementar study on hidrodynamics and I'm stuck with something.
We have that the circulation in a closed path Γ is given by:
##C_Γ=\oint_Γ \vec v⋅\vec {dl}##
And that, in a irrotational flow, ##C_Γ = 0## for any given Γ.
But if we have an irrotational vortex wouldn't ##\oint_Γ \vec v⋅ \vec {dl} \neq 0## ?
This seems contradictory, and i really can't notice how to handle with this.
Sorry if this seems too basic, but I'm really just starting with this topic.
 
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I think the answer is that there is no such thing as an irrotational vortex. Am I missing something? In general a vortex has ## \oint \vec{v} \cdot d \vec{l} \neq 0 ##, and the more energetic it is, the larger this integral. Irrotational (non-rotational) means there are no vortexes (vortices) present. ## \\ ## Irrotational has ## \nabla \times \vec{v}=0 ##, which means by Stokes theorem ## \oint \vec{v} \cdot d \vec{l}=0 ## everywhere.
 
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Charles Link said:
Irrotational has ## \nabla \times \vec{v}=0## , which means by Stokes theorem ## \oint \vec{v} \cdot d \vec{l}=0 ## everywhere.
That's exactly what i tought, but the thing is that in my book and in some internet sources there are mentions of supposedly irrotational vortexes (which are also called potential vortexes), which seems very strange and confusing to me.
 
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That's exactly what i tought, but the thing is that in my book and in some internet sources there are mentions of supposedly irrotational vortexes (which are also called potential vortexes), which seems very strange and confusing to me.
The mathematical stack exchange gives a brief explanation of what you are referring to. This is the first time I have seen this kind of thing, but their explanation with an animated diagram gives an illustration of it. https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/428839/irrotational-vortices
 
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Charles Link said:
The mathematical stack exchange gives a brief explanation of what you are referring to. This is the first time I have seen this kind of thing, but their explanation with an animated diagram gives an illustration of it. https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/428839/irrotational-vortices
Thank you very much! It seems strange, but it's more clear to me now!
 
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Well, the socalled "irrotational vortex" or "potential vortex" is among the nicest examples for the importance of topology in "classical vector analysis". One should demonstrate it with great care to any student when disucssing Poincare's lemma. I've done this already in these forums

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/struggling-with-ab-effect.872156/#post-5477281

For your purposes, you can ignore that it is in a discussion about the Aharonov-Bohm effect, although it's one of the most fascinating applications of these kind of topological arguments in physics.
 
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