Drag force with differential equations, finding max speed

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The discussion focuses on deriving the differential equation of motion for a submarine propelled by a constant force, countered by a drag force proportional to its speed. The equation is formulated as F - kv = ma, leading to the integration of the resulting differential equation to find the speed as a function of time. The maximum speed is determined when the thrust from the engine equals the drag force, resulting in the equation F = kv_max. The participants express confusion over the integration process and the application of boundary conditions to solve for constants, ultimately confirming the approach is valid. The discussion emphasizes the importance of verifying solutions against the original differential equation.
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Homework Statement



A submarine engine provides maximum constant force ##F## to propel it through the
water.

Assume that the magnitude of the resistive drag force of the water experienced
by the submarine is ##kv##, where ##k## is the drag coefficient and ##v## is the
instantaneous speed of the boat.

When the engine is switched on to full power, the submarine starts from rest and
moves horizontally in a straight line.

If the mass of the submarine is ##M##

1) Write the differential equation of motion of the submarine in terms of its
speed ##v##

2) Solve the equation of motion from part (1) to find the speed ##v(t)## as a
function of time ##t##

3) What is the maximum possible speed ##v_{max}## the submarine can reach with
this engine?

Homework Equations



Newtons second states ##F = ma##. Then given force ##F## I have ##F = ma##.

The Attempt at a Solution



For the drag force ##-kv## I can write this as ##-Kmv## where ##K## is some constant
such that ##-Kmv = -kv##.

This gives me

$$
ma = -Kmv
$$

Dividing by ##m## and noting that ##a = \frac{dv}{dt}## gives

$$
\frac{dv}{dt} = -Kv
$$

Which is a differential equation of motion in terms of the speed ##v##.

Solving this differential equation as

$$
\frac{1}{v} dv = -K dt
$$

Then integrate both sides for

$$
\ln(v) = -K t + C_1
$$

Here I can take the exponential of each side and note that ##e^{x + b} = Ae^x##
where ##A,b## are constants.

So I have

$$
v = Ae^{-Kt}
$$For the maximum speed I need to consider where the force of motion by the engine
is balanced by the force of the drag.

At this point I will have

$$
kv_{max} = ma
$$

Using the solution from part (2) we can sub for ##v## as

$$
k\left( A e^{-K t} \right) = ma
$$I'm not sure how to obtain the maximum speed here though?

The expression can be rewritten as

$$
\frac{kA}{ma} = e^{Kt}
$$

Given ##K## is some constant this is just (where ##D## is some constant)

$$
\frac{kA}{ma} = e^{t} e^{K} = De^{t}
$$

So

$$
\frac{kA}{Dma} =
e^{t}
$$

I don't think that this is correct, or even know if it makes sense.

It's suggesting that the constant ##k## multiplied by the constant ##A## divided by
the product of mass, acceleration and ##D## is equal to ##e^t##.

So I'm confused

Thanks
 
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The submarine engine is propelling the submarine with force F and this force is being opposed by the drag -Kmv. Therefore the net force on the submarine will be F-Kmv.
 
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so I can use that at the equilibrium I will have

$$
F - kv = 0
$$

And this is the net force, so these are also equal to ##ma##, and can be expressed as

$$
F - kv = ma
$$

Note that ##a = \frac{dv}{dt}## which gives

$$
F - kv = m \frac{dv}{dt}
$$

From here I can divide through by mass, letting ##p = \frac{1}{m}## gives

$$
pF - pkv = \frac{dv}{dt}
$$

Then arranging the differential for integration gives

$$
\frac{1}{pF - pdk} dv = dt
$$

Integrate both sides

$$
\int \frac{1}{pF - pdk} dv = \int dt
$$

Here I can make the sub ##u = pF - pkv## such that ##du = -(pk) dv## and
##\frac{1}{-pk} du = dv##

Then subbing these in gives

$$
-\frac{1}{pk}\int \frac{1}{u} du = \int dt
$$

Solving this gives

$$
-\frac{1}{pk} \ln(u) = t + C_1
$$

Subbing back for ##u## gives

$$
- \frac{1}{pk} \ln(pF - pkv) = t + C_1
$$

Then if I wanted to solve for ##v## I can multiply both sides by ##- \frac{1}{pk}##
for (using a new constant ##C_2##)

$$
\ln(pF - pkv) = -pkt + C_2
$$

Then take exponentials as

$$
pF - pkv
= e^{-pkt + C_2}
$$Then note that ##e^{-pkt + C_2}## is equal to ##e^{-pkt} \times C_3##. Rearranging
from this gives

$$
pkv = pF - C_3 e^{-pkt}
$$

Dividing through by ##pk## gives$$
v = \frac{pF - C_3 e^{-pkt}}{pk}
$$

As the solution to the differential in terms of ##v##Is this approach right?
 
gelfand said:
Dividing through by pkpk gives
v=pF−C3e−pktpk​
v = \frac{pF - C_3 e^{-pkt}}{pk}

As the solution to the differential in terms of v

A good way to check the result, would be to plug it back into the original differential equation to see that m dv/dt and F - kv are indeed equal. But, the answer does look correct to me (provided you use the boundary conditions to find the value of C3 and use m instead of the placeholder variable p).
 
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