Drawing with trigonometric function

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around creating equations to represent a specific graphical image using trigonometric functions, particularly sine functions, and involves the geometry of circles and lines at angles. Participants are exploring how to model these shapes mathematically.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using sine functions to model curves and question the correctness of their equations. There is a focus on how to represent lines at a 45-degree angle and the implications of rotating axes. Some participants express uncertainty about domain restrictions for their equations.

Discussion Status

The conversation is active, with participants providing suggestions and questioning each other's reasoning. There are multiple interpretations of how to approach the problem, particularly regarding the rotation of axes and the representation of the circle. Some guidance has been offered on using rotation matrices and defining new axes.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating constraints such as the need for equations to be in terms of specific variables and the implications of domain restrictions for trigonometric functions. There is also a mention of needing to define new axes for the rotation, which adds complexity to the problem.

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Homework Statement


Come up with a set of equations to draw the following picture:

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/7428/equation.jpg

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution



The circle is easy.

1000 = sqrt(x^2+y^2)

I can just model the equation with sines. So

y_1 = 300 * Sin(pi * x / 1000) (Assuming 300 is the highest point in the curve)

The sine graph on the y-axis can be easily tilted by switching x and y. Therefore:

x = 300 * Sin(pi*y_2 / 1000)

sin^-1 (x/300) = pi * y_2 / 1000

y_2 = (1000/pi) * sin^-1(x/300)Is my y_2 correct?

And I'm kinda stumbling on how to translate the axis in 45 degree angle to draw the sine graph like that. Any help would be appreciated.
 
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l46kok said:
I can just model the equation with sines. So

y_1 = 300 * Sin(pi * x / 1000) (Assuming 300 is the highest point in the curve)
You should probably add a restriction for x, like -1000 ≤ x ≤ 1000.

l46kok said:
The sine graph on the y-axis can be easily tilted by switching x and y. Therefore:

x = 300 * Sin(pi*y_2 / 1000)

sin^-1 (x/300) = pi * y_2 / 1000

y_2 = (1000/pi) * sin^-1(x/300)Is my y_2 correct?
Technically, no, because x has the domain restriction -π/2 ≤ x ≤ π/2. Must all equations be y as functions of x? If not, I would just leave it in terms of x. Also, I think you need a negative in front of the R.H.S.:
x = -300 * Sin(pi*y_2 / 1000)
 
No it can be in terms of X too.

How should I modelize the lines which goes at 45 degree angle?
 
l46kok said:
The circle is easy.

1000 = sqrt(x^2+y^2)
Oops! The radius for that equation is about 31.6227766.

l46kok said:
No it can be in terms of X too.

How should I modelize the lines which goes at 45 degree angle?
Are you familiar with rotation of axes? You'll need to make use of it, I think.
 
eumyang said:
Oops! The radius for that equation is about 31.6227766.
No it's not,

l46kok said:
The circle is easy.

1000 = sqrt(x^2+y^2)

:-p
 
eumyang said:
Oops! The radius for that equation is about 31.6227766.


Are you familiar with rotation of axes? You'll need to make use of it, I think.

Yeah, translating the axes by defining a new set of axes such as x' and y', then rotating it via trigonometric function but I was struggling big time about that. Any suggestions?
 
Mentallic said:
No it's not,
:-p
Wow... that's was embarrassing. :redface: Let's try that again.
l46kok said:
The circle is easy.

1000 = sqrt(x^2+y^2)
This only gives you the upper semicircle. Define this implicitly instead:
x2+y2=10002

l46kok said:
Yeah, translating the axes by defining a new set of axes such as x' and y', then rotating it via trigonometric function but I was struggling big time about that. Any suggestions?
Do you know the equations that define x' and y' in terms of x, y, and θ? Take the equation
y' = 300 * sin(pi*x'/1000)
and replace with what x' and y' equals. Then find a new set of equations for x' and y', in terms of a different angle θ, and replace into the equation above.
 
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Call your original function y = f(x). The easiest way to rotate is to use the rotation matrix:

R(x) = \left[ \begin{array}{cc}<br /> \cos\theta &amp; -\sin\theta\\<br /> \sin\theta &amp; \cos\theta<br /> \end{array}\right]<br /> \left[<br /> \begin{array}{c}<br /> x\\<br /> f(x)<br /> \end{array}\right]

Pick any θ you wish and plot it parametrically for x from 0 to 1000.
 

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