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please see http://camoo.freeshell.org/dual_gauge.pdf"
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The discussion centers on the concept of the dual of the Maxwell tensor as a gauge curvature, exploring its implications in electromagnetic theory, particularly in the context of gauge connections and electromagnetic duality. Participants examine theoretical aspects, mathematical formulations, and potential applications in various contexts, including Yang-Mills theories.
Participants express differing views on the implications of the dual of the Maxwell tensor, particularly regarding the necessity of source-free conditions and the interpretation of gauge connections. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives presented.
Participants note the limitations of the discussion, including the dependence on definitions of gauge connections and the unresolved nature of mathematical steps related to the duality and curvature concepts.
The following comment in a book was puzzling to me : ”Recall the Hodge dual of the Maxwell
tensor F. We could imagine a ’dual’ U(1) gauge connection that has F as its bundle curvature
rather than F.”
But [itex]F_ab[/itex] satisfies d[itex]F_ab[/itex] = 0, which means that [itex]F_ab[/itex] can be expressed as a derivative of a 1-form:
[tex]F_ab = \frac{\partial{_A}}{\partial{_b}}-\frac{\partial{A_a}}{\partial{x^b}}.[/tex]
and the vector potential [itex]A_a[/itex] gives you a gauge connection
[tex]\nabla_a= \frac{\partial}{\partial{x^a}} - ieA_a[/tex]
And so on.
So [itex]F_ab[/itex] is the
curvature of the connection,
[tex]\nabla_a \nabla{_b}-\nabla_a \nabla_b -ie =-ie \left(\frac{\partial{A_b}}{\partial{x^a}}-\frac{\partial A_b}{\partial x^b}\right)[/tex]
I know, but I use the built-in Latex for simple things, not for long complicated posts.jtbell said:Hi, did you know that we have inline LaTeX capabilities here?
But
[tex]d^*F_{ab}=-\frac{*j}{\epsilon 0}[/tex]
But how can *F be a gauge curvature when d*F[itex]\neq[/itex] 0? If it were in empty
space you could come up with a 1-form [itex]Z_a[/itex] so that *[itex]F_{ab}=\frac{\partial {Z_b}}{\partial{x^a}}-\frac {\partial{Z_a}}{\partial{x^b}}[/itex] , that would give
you an alternate bundle connection. Who knows what it would be a connection for!
Is the empty-space version of the Maxwell equations what you’d be using at the quantum
level? Maybe all the interactions are being described explicitly so you wouldn’t be using a
charge-current vector. What do you think?
lark said:I use the built-in Latex for simple things, not for long complicated posts.
Yes but the book didn't say anything about the field being source-free. Is my guess right, that in the application where the dual connection would be used, I guess on wavefunctions, that you wouldn't be including the local sources in the Maxwell equations, because you are looking at things at too small a scale to consider charge density, current etc.? He might be leaving this unsaid - but it seems like an obligatory aspect of considering the dual of the Maxwell tensor as a curvature. I spent a lot of time thinking about whether there'd be some way to get around that restriction, some other way of defining the covariant derivative that would give the dual as the curvature. But nothing really came up.lbrits said:There's some interest in this for Yang-Mills theories and in other contexts. Anyway I think the point is that it has to be source free. Or, approximately source free (say, in some non-simply connected region). See for example the Dirac monopole.