E and D fields of polarizable material

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The discussion focuses on calculating the electric field (E) and displacement field (D) in a semi-infinite slab of polarizable material with uniform polarization P in the +y direction. The integral statement used to derive D is valid but not useful in this context, as D is not uniformly zero due to the presence of polarization. The relationship between E and D is established, noting that E is influenced by the charge distribution while D is affected by both free and bound charges. The user seeks clarification on the relationship between E fields at different points in the y=0 plane, particularly concerning the behavior of the electric field outside the slab.

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  • Understanding of electrostatics, specifically Gauss's law.
  • Familiarity with electric displacement field (D) and its relation to electric field (E) and polarization (P).
  • Knowledge of boundary conditions for electric fields in dielectric materials.
  • Concept of curl in vector calculus and its implications in electrostatics.
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Homework Statement


A semi infinite slab of material, -\infty<x<0, -\infty<z<\infty, -d/2<y<d/2
has uniform polarization P in the +y direction.

What are the E and D field along x-axis at y=0.

Homework Equations


\oint \vec{D}\cdot d\vec{a} = Q_{free enclosed}
D= \epsilon_{0}E+P

The Attempt at a Solution


If I use the integral statement, there is no free charge, D is uniformly 0.
This seems uninteresting and incorrect...as well as inconsistent with the second relation.

I already know that at the x=y=0 on the boundary, the magnitude of E field drops to 1/2 its "ideal infinite capacitor" (from surface charge due to polarization). IF D were always 0 and P is uniform, than E would have to be uniform, which it is not.

So why is the integral invalid? I recall qualitatively, that the E and D field are inversely related within the material i.e. if one increased the other decreased...outside trivially they are equal, with a dielectric multiplication. How do I correctly calculate D?

Thanks in advance




 
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thefireman said:

The Attempt at a Solution


If I use the integral statement, there is no free charge, D is uniformly 0.
This seems uninteresting and incorrect...as well as inconsistent with the second relation.

I already know that at the x=y=0 on the boundary, the magnitude of E field drops to 1/2 its "ideal infinite capacitor" (from surface charge due to polarization). IF D were always 0 and P is uniform, than E would have to be uniform, which it is not.

So why is the integral invalid? I recall qualitatively, that the E and D field are inversely related within the material i.e. if one increased the other decreased...outside trivially they are equal, with a dielectric multiplication. How do I correctly calculate D?

Thanks in advance

The integral is always valid, but not always useful: how do you know that D is uniform and exhibits planar symmetry?

In vacuum, you can tell the symmetries of E by looking at the charge distribution...if the charge distribution is symmetrical, so is E. The same does not hold true for D. The reason is that while E is always completely determined by its divergence (which is proportional to the charge) D is not. Because unlike curl(E), curl(D) is not always zero...I'll leave it to you to determine where curl(D)=curl(P) does not equal zero in this case...:wink:

The symmetries of E are always determined (at least in electrostatics) by the symmetries of the charge distribution, but the symmetries of D are only determined by the symmetries of the free charge distribution in cases where curl(D)=0 everywhere.
 
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Ok, i knew that fact, but had forgotten that setting integral to Qenclosed required assuming information about D. Thanks.
One final question. I need to relate the E field outside this faux capacitor to that inside...specifically,
Find a relationship between the electric fields in the y = 0 plane at x = a and
x = -a.
If I do a line integral E dl around a square bounded by x=-a and x=a, at symmetric y values, the y line integrals should cancel by symmetry, the total the sum should be 0... essentially the E field outside at x=a should be negative that inside at x=-a? This doesn't make sense to me, an infinite fringe field outside? shouldn't it die off the further we go into vaccum?

thanks again!
 

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