Early opaque universe - why little proton-photon scattering?

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The discussion revolves around the opacity of the early universe and the relative importance of photon scattering off free electrons versus free protons. It explores the mechanisms of Thomson scattering and its implications in both the early universe and within stars.

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  • One participant questions why scattering off free protons is not considered equally important as scattering off free electrons in the context of the early universe's opacity.
  • Another participant explains that the Thomson scattering cross section is proportional to the inverse square of mass, indicating that scattering off protons is significantly suppressed compared to electrons.
  • A participant seeks a physical argument for why photons scatter more readily off less massive particles, suggesting a connection to Compton scattering and the mass of virtual particles in Feynman diagrams.
  • Another participant proposes that the difference may be related to the Compton wavelength, which is much smaller for protons than for electrons.
  • One participant suggests viewing Thomson scattering as a classical phenomenon, where the acceleration of charged particles by electromagnetic radiation leads to the emission of scattered light, with the intensity of scattering being influenced by the mass of the particle.

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Participants express differing views on the mechanisms behind photon scattering, with no consensus reached on the underlying reasons for the differences in scattering probabilities between electrons and protons.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of scattering processes and the role of mass in determining scattering probabilities, but these assumptions are not universally accepted or resolved.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying astrophysics, particle physics, or anyone curious about the interactions of photons with matter in extreme conditions.

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I read many times that the early universe was opaque foremost because of the scattering of photons off free electrons (Thomson scattering). Why is the scattering off free protons not equally important?

Btw, the same they say about stars. Photons within stars need a very long time to get out of the star because of scattering off the free electrons. Again, why not protons?

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The Thomson scattering cross section is proportional to m^{-2}, and so scattering off the much heavier protons is suppressed by a factor of a million relative to scattering off electrons.
 
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Thanks!

And why is that so? Is there a simple physical argument behind this (curious) effect that photons scatter off particle with less mass with higher probability than they do with more massive particles?

My guess is that in Compton scattering the virtual particle in the Feynman graph is massive (an electron). So the more massive the propagator particle, the smaller the amplitude. Wrong?
 
OR is it simply because the Compton wavelength is much smaller for protons than for electrons?
 
It's best to think about Thomson scattering as a classical phenomenon, in which instead of photons bouncing of particles, one has a charged particle being accelerated by incident electromagnetic radiation and in turn radiating electromagnetic energy -- the scattered light. The power emitted is proportional to the time-averaged squared acceleration of the particle, which is itself proportional to m^{-2} from Newton's 2nd law. This makes sense: electrons are more vigorously jiggled than protons by the electromagnetic radiation.
 
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